Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I currently dwell deep in W-Space and one thing I really miss from my previous null-sec homes are black ops battleship gangs.

Idea:
Could covert cynos and black ops battleships jump bridge/jump capability work in w-space in a similar fashion to how it currently works in null? Would add quite a bit of playability to a otherwise neglected class of ships as it would allow fleets of black ops battleships to travel through holes without reducing the mass.

Things to consider:
* Say you have a 5 wormhole chain scanned out. How far could you jump through the chain in a single jump?
* Should jumping between WH systems reduce the mass of the connecting wormholes? (I don't think it should)
* Should the class of wormholes being traveled through effect the jumps, and if so, how?

Disclaimer: I realize that the technical distance between wormholes is "unknown" which traditionally blows this idea out of the water. But couldn't technology exist that allows a black ops battleship to locate a covert cyno in a connecting wormhole? Personally I think this mechanic would be really fun, and would add another interesting layer to wormhole PVP and the black ops battleship class in general.

What do you think?

<3 Cry Meariver <3

I know it's a touchy subject as many large null sec alliances would then have a fighting chance in W-Space. And nobody likes being blobbed.

Possible solutions:
*Only covert cynos work in w-space (maybe due to being more advanced than regular cynos vOv)
*The black ops ship and corresponding covert cyno must be tuned to WH space. AKA no jumping between K and W space.

What would you propose to keep a mechanic like this from being abused?

This is why I proposed using the number of wormholes between the ship and the covert cyno as a "distance" modifier instead of the actual distance in light years. Just a thought.

As for this feature only being available for t3 battleships; one of my hopes for this idea is it adds some playability to current T2 black ops battleships. At the moment they are not used much and for good reason.

Good point. My first thought would be to make the max jump distance 1 wormhole to prevent the tactic from being 'OP'. But I am sure there are other ways to balance this.

As a WHer, keep your cynos in K-space.

However.
I've heard rumors that the location of W-Space systems in relation to a central point can be calculated somehow, and that location can then be used to calculate the distance between two W-Space system. If the two system were close enough together, it would *theoretically* be possible to cyno caps/BLOPs between systems.

However, we have yet to test this theory.
If it works, well, we'll see if CCP declares it an exploit or not, but there is nothing to prevent cynos from being lit in WH space, so there's nothing I know of to prevent the jumping to a cyno that is in range.

Well, properly balanced, it could certainly give a new life for this ship type.

I'm sure there are things to deep about your idea.

But I'm also sure that the devs haven't made any improvement to wormhole space for years.

Hmm I made a suggestion pretty much exactly the same as this a while ago in a black ops thread.

i guess a comprehensive POS-overhaul would do much more for WHs than introducing cyno-madness to them.
if POSs wouldn't be such a pain in the tushie, there would be much more people willing to live out of them, in a WH.

Apologies if you thought I wasn't being constructive, I was and tried to convey that and I did like your reply. On furthering your idea (see snipped above) if you lowered the mass you should also lover the EHP of the ship as it needs to be a trade-off I personally think but I'm still of the same mind that these shouldn't be allowed in W-Space.

These are of course just my opinions and others I'm sure will chime in with theirs both for and against. If you keep replying as you have been you'll do great and flesh out your idea and refine it further with others suggestions.

I wish you all the best with it Cry.