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Low-sec Mining

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Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-08-08 18:18:47 UTC
I am just about a week in to EVE and I love mining. However, my fervent devotion to the noble profession of making big rocks into small rocks is whithering away as I wait for my sexy Retriver to be mine. (Ohh man I can't wait for the jump in cubic meters of ore per minute........http://imakeeper.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/lordofthefiles_homer-drool.gif?w=640)

I know low-sec is not as profitable as sitting in a high-sec belt and afk mining all day long, but to hell with that. That is what I have been doing for a week and it is dreadfully boring. I want to be adventurous. I have decided to do something stupid, just to say that I have done something other than afk mine all darn day long.

I am in need of some advice on what to fit a ship with and other general advice in order to be as hard to catch as possible.

So far the best pieces of advice I have gathered from this forum are:
1) MicroWarpdrive + Cloak
2) Eyes are glued on Dscan (or local? I dont understand how Dscan is different other than being more cluttered with non player things)
3) Look at the Star Map for systems that show the least kills in the past hour or 24 hours (is there a way to check the Star Map for the level of traffic through a system?)
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Any bit of help is greatly appreciated!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#2 - 2013-08-08 18:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Too many mentions of specifically AFK mining for me to even begin to take this as serious.

So, you have been mining AFK in rookie systems for a week and didn't get blown up once.

Yeah, right.


edit: Low Sec will take care of your lack of personal explosions just fine. Go right ahead. Have fun.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#3 - 2013-08-08 18:34:47 UTC
D-scan tells you if there are any probes or people outside your overview range so you have time to bail.

Have the starmap show jumps per hour, that shows how many people have jumped in or out of the system.

Personally I think that you would be better off just finding new ways to entertain yourself, because I can totally see this going in a week to a whine thread about how you died to easily lol.

There is a reason why people hardly use lowsec for anything other than pvp and moon mining, and it is because unless you got lots of friends you are mostly likely going to be running around avoiding pirates. The missions aren't significantly better to justify the added risk, and most other things require you to constantly work around pirate activity. That isn't to say it is not possible, but just that most people can't be arsed to deal with it.

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.

Zenito
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#4 - 2013-08-08 18:37:40 UTC
That's really helpful Kryxtal.

OP, I like the cut of your jib, you're my kind of miner.
Now firstly get rid of these silly notions about mining rocks - cytoserocin gas sells for at least 100,000 isk per unit and a typical low-sec site will yield 500 units and takes about 30 mins to suck up with a Venture equiped with a couple of T2 gas harvesters.
How's that for isk per hour?Blink
Make sure your d-scan shows probes and click it regular. There's a reasonable chance of death but so what, Ventures are dead cheap and it's certainly much more exciting than dull rock-zapping in high-sec!
Oh and most importantly, sell the gas to me Big smile
Good luck and have fun!

Zenitoka Katanga

Clan Chieftain

"A fair bargain leaves both sides unhappy."

Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-08-08 18:42:31 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Too many mentions of specifically AFK mining for me to even begin to take this as serious.

So, you have been mining AFK in rookie systems for a week and didn't get blown up once.

Yeah, right.


edit: Low Sec will take care of your lack of personal explosions just fine. Go right ahead. Have fun.



If you seriously consider learning about the term "afk mining" being any kind of indicator about being a veteran player, I think you should play other games and expand your understanding of archetypes in mmo's.

But thanks for the input.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#6 - 2013-08-08 18:51:29 UTC
Zenito wrote:
That's really helpful Kryxtal.

OP, I like the cut of your jib, you're my kind of miner.
Now firstly get rid of these silly notions about mining rocks - cytoserocin gas sells for at least 100,000 isk per unit and a typical low-sec site will yield 500 units and takes about 30 mins to suck up with a Venture equiped with a couple of T2 gas harvesters.
How's that for isk per hour?Blink
Make sure your d-scan shows probes and click it regular. There's a reasonable chance of death but so what, Ventures are dead cheap and it's certainly much more exciting than dull rock-zapping in high-sec!
Oh and most importantly, sell the gas to me Big smile
Good luck and have fun!



Just being honest with 3 1/2 years of forum experience.

Also, no "Y" in my name. And it was right in front of you Lol

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#7 - 2013-08-08 18:53:13 UTC
Jegrey Dozer wrote:


If you seriously consider learning about the term "afk mining" being any kind of indicator about being a veteran player, I think you should play other games and expand your understanding of archetypes in mmo's.

But thanks for the input.



I think wires are crossed somewhere.

I abhor AFK mining.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2013-08-08 18:55:27 UTC
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
(is there a way to check the Star Map for the level of traffic through a system?)



"Average Pilots in Space the Last 30 Minutes" option in your World Map Window.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-08-08 19:01:25 UTC
Lord Battlestar wrote:
D-scan tells you if there are any probes or people outside your overview range so you have time to bail.

Have the starmap show jumps per hour, that shows how many people have jumped in or out of the system.

Personally I think that you would be better off just finding new ways to entertain yourself, because I can totally see this going in a week to a whine thread about how you died to easily lol.

There is a reason why people hardly use lowsec for anything other than pvp and moon mining, and it is because unless you got lots of friends you are mostly likely going to be running around avoiding pirates. The missions aren't significantly better to justify the added risk, and most other things require you to constantly work around pirate activity. That isn't to say it is not possible, but just that most people can't be arsed to deal with it.


Thank you!

I know it's not smart. I hardly get set back so I though it would be fun to try.
Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-08-08 19:09:49 UTC
Zenito wrote:
That's really helpful Kryxtal.

OP, I like the cut of your jib, you're my kind of miner.
Now firstly get rid of these silly notions about mining rocks - cytoserocin gas sells for at least 100,000 isk per unit and a typical low-sec site will yield 500 units and takes about 30 mins to suck up with a Venture equiped with a couple of T2 gas harvesters.
How's that for isk per hour?Blink
Make sure your d-scan shows probes and click it regular. There's a reasonable chance of death but so what, Ventures are dead cheap and it's certainly much more exciting than dull rock-zapping in high-sec!
Oh and most importantly, sell the gas to me Big smile
Good luck and have fun!


I will definitely go for gas then. If I actually get a reasonable amount of gas, I'll contact you : )
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-08-08 19:14:06 UTC
It's tough to do anything in low sec with all the pirates around. It took me almost 2 days to get a big load of trade goods out of Melmaniel last week and that system is only 2 or 3 hops from high sec AND it is one of the lower populated low sec areas. On the day I made my break for the last jump it was like 3 am in the morning and there were still 4 or 5 pirates watching me like a hawk. They were watching my station and every gate in the system and every gate in the adjoining systems. Even after I safe spotted and waited until they had gone temporarily they were hot on my trail as I made the last couple of jumps out. Very nerve racking when you are carrying two billion in goods and implants.

One strategy is to make a deal with the local bullies where you pay them to leave you alone. Once you are on their blue list you can work around the miscellaneous floater pirates. Also, if you are blue listed by the top dog in the area what you can do is act as sort of spy. So, if you see some random -9.9 appear in local, just send a chat to the bully squad and tell them somebody has infiltrated THEIR territory. After a while they will start to like you.

Another cool trick you can do if you get some blue-list buddies is act as bait (hee, hee). You fit a bunch of tanking modules to your miner and a warp scrambler. Then, when the goon hits you try and hold on while the blue list baddies come for him. Tip: don't use the warp scrambler until your friends have jumped into the system.
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
#12 - 2013-08-08 19:20:14 UTC
Droidster wrote:
It's tough to do anything in low sec with all the pirates around. It took me almost 2 days to get a big load of trade goods out of Melmaniel last week and that system is only 2 or 3 hops from high sec AND it is one of the lower populated low sec areas. On the day I made my break for the last jump it was like 3 am in the morning and there were still 4 or 5 pirates watching me like a hawk. They were watching my station and every gate in the system and every gate in the adjoining systems. Even after I safe spotted and waited until they had gone temporarily they were hot on my trail as I made the last couple of jumps out. Very nerve racking when you are carrying two billion in goods and implants.

One strategy is to make a deal with the local bullies where you pay them to leave you alone. Once you are on their blue list you can work around the miscellaneous floater pirates. Also, if you are blue listed by the top dog in the area what you can do is act as sort of spy. So, if you see some random -9.9 appear in local, just send a chat to the bully squad and tell them somebody has infiltrated THEIR territory. After a while they will start to like you.

Another cool trick you can do if you get some blue-list buddies is act as bait (hee, hee). You fit a bunch of tanking modules to your miner and a warp scrambler. Then, when the goon hits you try and hold on while the blue list baddies come for him. Tip: don't use the warp scrambler until your friends have jumped into the system.


Just note that just because they say they set you blue, doesn't mean they actually did. An alliance I used to belong to on a different character had been blue with a local pirate alliance, but that didn't stop them from killing us in the belts one day. So always beware, because there is no much way for you to tell if you are actually set blue, unless you have a character in their alliance that can check.

I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.

Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-08-08 19:28:35 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
(is there a way to check the Star Map for the level of traffic through a system?)



"Average Pilots in Space the Last 30 Minutes" option in your World Map Window.


Now that is really good info! I can find the average of lowest patrolled system at certain times. Thank you : )
Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-08-08 19:33:54 UTC
Droidster wrote:
It's tough to do anything in low sec with all the pirates around. It took me almost 2 days to get a big load of trade goods out of Melmaniel last week and that system is only 2 or 3 hops from high sec AND it is one of the lower populated low sec areas. On the day I made my break for the last jump it was like 3 am in the morning and there were still 4 or 5 pirates watching me like a hawk. They were watching my station and every gate in the system and every gate in the adjoining systems. Even after I safe spotted and waited until they had gone temporarily they were hot on my trail as I made the last couple of jumps out. Very nerve racking when you are carrying two billion in goods and implants.

One strategy is to make a deal with the local bullies where you pay them to leave you alone. Once you are on their blue list you can work around the miscellaneous floater pirates. Also, if you are blue listed by the top dog in the area what you can do is act as sort of spy. So, if you see some random -9.9 appear in local, just send a chat to the bully squad and tell them somebody has infiltrated THEIR territory. After a while they will start to like you.

Another cool trick you can do if you get some blue-list buddies is act as bait (hee, hee). You fit a bunch of tanking modules to your miner and a warp scrambler. Then, when the goon hits you try and hold on while the blue list baddies come for him. Tip: don't use the warp scrambler until your friends have jumped into the system.


I like the notion of paying for safe entry. It sounds very interesting.

And I have heard of hot dropping! I think it's really funny. If I can get a procurer and get beefy. I would like to try it out
Jegrey Dozer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-08-08 19:36:54 UTC
Lord Battlestar wrote:
Droidster wrote:
It's tough to do anything in low sec with all the pirates around. It took me almost 2 days to get a big load of trade goods out of Melmaniel last week and that system is only 2 or 3 hops from high sec AND it is one of the lower populated low sec areas. On the day I made my break for the last jump it was like 3 am in the morning and there were still 4 or 5 pirates watching me like a hawk. They were watching my station and every gate in the system and every gate in the adjoining systems. Even after I safe spotted and waited until they had gone temporarily they were hot on my trail as I made the last couple of jumps out. Very nerve racking when you are carrying two billion in goods and implants.

One strategy is to make a deal with the local bullies where you pay them to leave you alone. Once you are on their blue list you can work around the miscellaneous floater pirates. Also, if you are blue listed by the top dog in the area what you can do is act as sort of spy. So, if you see some random -9.9 appear in local, just send a chat to the bully squad and tell them somebody has infiltrated THEIR territory. After a while they will start to like you.

Another cool trick you can do if you get some blue-list buddies is act as bait (hee, hee). You fit a bunch of tanking modules to your miner and a warp scrambler. Then, when the goon hits you try and hold on while the blue list baddies come for him. Tip: don't use the warp scrambler until your friends have jumped into the system.


Just note that just because they say they set you blue, doesn't mean they actually did. An alliance I used to belong to on a different character had been blue with a local pirate alliance, but that didn't stop them from killing us in the belts one day. So always beware, because there is no much way for you to tell if you are actually set blue, unless you have a character in their alliance that can check.


I thought there very same thing. There's enough talk of how untrustworthy people are in this game. The community lets newcomers be very aware of that. Thank you for keeping an eye out!
Coffee Rocks
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-09 08:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Coffee Rocks
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
(is there a way to check the Star Map for the level of traffic through a system?)



"Average Pilots in Space the Last 30 Minutes" option in your World Map Window.


Now that is really good info! I can find the average of lowest patrolled system at certain times. Thank you : )



BE ADVISED - these stats in the World Map Window are not always accurate. Especially the "Pilots Currently Docked".

Edit: for grammar.
Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#17 - 2013-09-04 17:38:50 UTC
The best method I had for getting a lot of stuff safely out of deep null sec was to keep a scanning frigate docked up in the lowsec region I operated in, and just use it to scan a wormhole shortcut to high sec. Wormholes aren't exactly safe either - but they're usually better odds than running through high activity choke-points in lowsec.

You need to go on Eve University's website and type in "overview" to get some guides on setting up your overview. One of the overview tabs should be labeled "PvP" or something like that. Even if you don't PvP, you want this tab. You right click on the tab to create a new tab, then you label it, then you open overview settings for it and "deselect all". Then you check the boxes for bombs, combat scanning probes, and all the player ships out there. Then you're done for that tab. Save the settings as "PvP."

Now, with that tab selected in overview, go to your D-scanner. Check the box for "use active overview settings" (or something like that). Then set your D-scan to 360 degree and maximum range.

Viola! Now your mining barge can scan the vicinity for enemy ships and combat probes - so you'll know when to be careful, or even cloak up or leave. Hit that button every 30 seconds.

You'll probably want another tab for mining, and another for GTFO, etc. I'll let you figure that out after you read the Eve University tutorial article, or watch one of their vids on YouTube.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#18 - 2013-09-04 18:08:32 UTC
Coffee Rocks wrote:
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jegrey Dozer wrote:
(is there a way to check the Star Map for the level of traffic through a system?)



"Average Pilots in Space the Last 30 Minutes" option in your World Map Window.


Now that is really good info! I can find the average of lowest patrolled system at certain times. Thank you : )



BE ADVISED - these stats in the World Map Window are not always accurate. Especially the "Pilots Currently Docked".

Edit: for grammar.



Well yeah. A gate camp of 10 people can hop back and forth on the gate every 25 minutes or so, and their presence will never register on the map indeed.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#19 - 2013-09-04 19:48:32 UTC
Low sec mining is not worth the bother. Just don't do it. Nuff said. When you mentioned something about doing stupid things..............well low sec mining is pretty stupid.

" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. " Rick. " Find out what ? " Abraham. " They're screwing with the wrong people. " Rick. Season four.   ' The Walking Dead. ' .

Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-09-16 07:35:19 UTC
Low sec mining is very profitable for a solo miner. The big money is in hedbergite and hermophite. Smuggle a retriever to a low sec corner and become familiar with your local residents. After a week you'll know who's doing PI, who's exploring, who's ratting and most importantly, who's a pirate.

At the some point, yes you'll be blown up, but your extra profits from mining will more than offset your loss. Hedbergite commands a 35-40% premium over scordite, and scordite is a pain in the a$$ to mine in high-sec since everyone mines them and all you find are scraps. But in low sec, you'll find fat juicy asteroids, begging to be plucked.

Rats can be a nuisance. Some rat frigates will warp scramble you, but if you deploy mining drones, they'll be targeted instead, allowing you a quick getaway. Or you can swap a few mining drones for combat drones.
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