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Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#41 - 2013-08-05 17:47:31 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Regretfully there is only one solution to the Tribal "problem" within the Federation.


I think Diana Kim's already head of the Genocidal Xenophobic Kool Kids' Klub, James. Keep trying though! A few more posts like this one and maybe she'll set you up as the head of the *Gallentean branch.



*Assuming she doesn't implement her own "final solution" for the "Gallentean Problem" first, that is.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#42 - 2013-08-06 01:08:46 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Regretfully there is only one solution to the Tribal "problem" within the Federation.


I think Diana Kim's already head of the Genocidal Xenophobic Kool Kids' Klub, James. Keep trying though! A few more posts like this one and maybe she'll set you up as the head of the *Gallentean branch.



*Assuming she doesn't implement her own "final solution" for the "Gallentean Problem" first, that is.

Again a Tribal reads a great deal into such a short statement.

That you and your kin see the mass murder of entire populations in my simple comment tells us more about your mindset than mine.

But still.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#43 - 2013-08-06 11:48:29 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Karmilla Strife wrote:
There is no sound in space.

But apparently there is pedantic literalism.


You mean... every time you post?

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#44 - 2013-08-06 16:47:27 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:


That you and your kin see the mass murder of entire populations in my simple comment tells us more about your mindset than mine.

But still.



You made the statement, Angel, not me. You knew damned well how what you left unsaid would be taken and it was done intentionally. Don't try projecting your nonsense onto me. At least have the courage of your convictions and stand by your words.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#45 - 2013-08-06 17:55:30 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Now there's a thought. Since we were nice enough to hand Broteau over to Republic justice, they can surely reciprocate by handing over members of a known terrorist organisation.



Sure, after we try them ourselves, of course. Oh, and don't expect any information on it until we're ready to hold the trials. Have a nice day. o/



Zaara Arran wrote:
THAT'S RACIST.



Oh, my, perish the thought. Racism doesn't exist in the Federation. They're all blind to ethnicity and live in perfect harmony. Matari citizens aren't treated at all differently than any other Federation citizen.


Or so they keep telling me, and the Federation wouldn't lie about that, would they?
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#46 - 2013-08-07 01:33:06 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:


That you and your kin see the mass murder of entire populations in my simple comment tells us more about your mindset than mine.

But still.


You made the statement, Angel, not me. You knew damned well how what you left unsaid would be taken and it was done intentionally. Don't try projecting your nonsense onto me. At least have the courage of your convictions and stand by your words.

You say "Angel" as if its a bad thing.

Oh that's right honest villains bother hypocrites like you and yours.

Gradient... Gradient... ~ponders for a moment~

Now where have I heard that name.. ~ponders some more~

Oh that's right, the ones who admitted choosing their race over what was right in Colelie. Killing those they called friend, from whom they have taken both milk and meat.

But then I am not the one one "projecting" or making accusations am I my dear.

“Here also are the heralds of his praise."
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#47 - 2013-08-07 06:51:52 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
You say "Angel" as if its a bad thing.


Um. It is?

I'm a former Angel, I have friends who are still in their ranks, but let's not sugarcoat this. Just because the Cartel isn't Nation or the Covenant does not make them in any way nice. It's an organisation that feeds on suffering.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#48 - 2013-08-07 06:52:41 UTC
Angel is a bad thing Syagrius, no matter how you Stillwater pilots try to dress it up. The Angel Cartel is the largest criminal enterprise in New Eden. Your corporation and your Cartel associates are involved in: murder, kidnapping, drug trafficking, human trafficking and slavery, prostitution, extortion and piracy. Guardian Angels aided the Serpentis attacks on Evaulon that totally destroyed the city of Rilanis, killing thousands in the process. I could go on but no need to belabor the point.

Also, get your facts straight. No one in Gradient killed any Federation citizens in Colelie. That was the work of the Republic Fleet. Of course, you know that and are attempting to turn the spotlight away from your own misdeeds.

As to your assertion that we chose our people over what was "right"; we responded to a call for assistance from a recognized government official. We acted in good faith with the limited information we had at the time. This has been explained and discussed ad nauseum in this medium so there's no need for me to say anything else on the topic. However, do feel free to continue beating this particular dead horse. The carcass may still have a few unscathed millimeters of surface area for you to work with.

Congratulations for owning up (kind of) to what you Angel supporters are but, in the end an "honest villain" (an oxymoron if ever I heard one) is still a villain.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Renee Khalida
Jin-Mei Mercantile Club
#49 - 2013-08-07 08:43:45 UTC
It's a little more complex than Angels = Bad, I'm afraid. In between the blacks and whites of villains and good guys are the shades of grey - we can call this...the gradient!

Much of the Cartel's work lies in that area. I could list the good that the Cartel has brought to the cluster and the debt it is owed, but I fear that we are already far from the topic, so I too will not belabor a point.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#50 - 2013-08-07 14:30:04 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
You say "Angel" as if its a bad thing.

Oh that's right honest villains bother hypocrites like you and yours.

I'm trying to follow here, sir, and I have to ask. In the first line, you suggest that being an Angel is a good thing. In the second, you point out that Angels are villains - definitively bad. That an Angel may be honest (a positive trait in some circumstances) does not nullify the negativity of the term. Was this an intentional contradiction?
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#51 - 2013-08-07 17:56:26 UTC
Of course not everything is black and white, Pilot Khalida. That's why our corporation is named what it is. However, I fail to see how you can balance the (relatively) small number of good deeds the Cartel has done against the much larger number of atrocities it's also committed; not in the name of any particular ideology mind you but, purely to make money.

As repugnant as I find the Amarr religion and its tenets, at least I can respect the imperial loyalists for their staunch devotion to their ideals. They commit the acts they do in furtherance of their ideals. You Angels act only in furtherance of fattening your wallets or, gaining greater power. While some would see those as worthy goals in and of themselves, I think the majority of civilized society would disagree. Service to something larger than oneself (whether that be a family, a Tribe, a nation or all humanity) is a "good" that most of us agree with.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Arturo Ramirez
Caballos Del Infierno
#52 - 2013-08-07 18:38:31 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
You say "Angel" as if its a bad thing.

Oh that's right honest villains bother hypocrites like you and yours.

I'm trying to follow here, sir, and I have to ask. In the first line, you suggest that being an Angel is a good thing. In the second, you point out that Angels are villains - definitively bad. That an Angel may be honest (a positive trait in some circumstances) does not nullify the negativity of the term. Was this an intentional contradiction?


Feel free to ask me about any concerns you have regarding the various subgroups within the Cartel whole, Captain Scherezad. If only to clear a few things up.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#53 - 2013-08-07 18:52:09 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:


That you and your kin see the mass murder of entire populations in my simple comment tells us more about your mindset than mine.

But still.



You made the statement, Angel, not me. You knew damned well how what you left unsaid would be taken and it was done intentionally.



And still you fell for it.

Also, nice ad-hominem on Mr Syagrius persona by pointing his cartel affiliation. He seems to have fallen for it too.
Velarra
#54 - 2013-08-07 19:06:32 UTC
February 15, YC 115.

I am still waiting, Gradient.

No word in regard to the 68. Nor anything else beyond.
If you don't actually care, i'll eventually deal with the Republic and the RSS myself. It will be curiously odd to have to point out your lack of action with regard to the variables involved, to Abja Etbald.

In any event, well understanding the nature of bureaucracy and its time frames, I give you until August 15 YC 116.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2013-08-08 02:43:04 UTC
Renee Khalida wrote:
It's a little more complex than Angels = Bad, I'm afraid. In between the blacks and whites of villains and good guys are the shades of grey - we can call this...the gradient!

Much of the Cartel's work lies in that area. I could list the good that the Cartel has brought to the cluster and the debt it is owed, but I fear that we are already far from the topic, so I too will not belabor a point.


Let's be fair it's not THAT much more complex than Angels = Bad.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#56 - 2013-08-08 07:35:08 UTC
Velarra wrote:
February 15, YC 115.

I am still waiting, Gradient.

No word in regard to the 68. Nor anything else beyond.
If you don't actually care, i'll eventually deal with the Republic and the RSS myself. It will be curiously odd to have to point out your lack of action with regard to the variables involved, to Abja Etbald.

In any event, well understanding the nature of bureaucracy and its time frames, I give you until August 15 YC 116.


Not that I speak for the corporation in any official capacity but, "Huh?". Just what are you talking about here?

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Vikarion
Doomheim
#57 - 2013-08-08 08:03:06 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Angel is a bad thing Syagrius, no matter how you Stillwater pilots try to dress it up.


Oh, no organization that kills Federal military personnel can be all bad - which is why I have to admit that the Cartel might have a few good points...just like the Republic Fleet, as of late.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#58 - 2013-08-08 13:10:09 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Was this an intentional contradiction?


I believe Msr. Syagrius' little 'paradox' there perfectly underlines the issue in this topic.
Bloody Hands of Matar are going around, causing havoc and mayhem, and Republicans are, in response yelling 'but but, Angels are evil!'

If out of Angels to attack ad hominem, you can also use Amarrians as your straw man there; that's the beauty of the Republican monomania when it comes to subjects that uncover them for being the pack of bloodthirsty wild dogs.

Keep barking, ms. Rella.
  • Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim

Angels are never far...

Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#59 - 2013-08-08 13:54:25 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Was this an intentional contradiction?


I believe Msr. Syagrius' little 'paradox' there perfectly underlines the issue in this topic.
Bloody Hands of Matar are going around, causing havoc and mayhem, and Republicans are, in response yelling 'but but, Angels are evil!'

If out of Angels to attack ad hominem, you can also use Amarrians as your straw man there; that's the beauty of the Republican monomania when it comes to subjects that uncover them for being the pack of bloodthirsty wild dogs.

Keep barking, ms. Rella.


Hey Caine. Go **** yourself.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#60 - 2013-08-08 15:05:20 UTC
Angels claiming that, "while we may do bad stuff, so do you"? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you! Roll

Rather than continuing to speak to brick walls I'll just end my part of this exchange by saying, "Welcome to my block list".

Also, what Kalaratiri said.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.