Player Features and Ideas Discussion

they should remove all cloaks and all other ships in game. Only way to fix this issue

Why should you know the difference between them being AFK or not? Why should you gain even more intel? What relevance does them being AFK have, they are AFK?

Try and be honest, you simply don't like uncertainty and the active play that comes from uncertainty.

There are a few integrated issues involved with afk cloaking and part of it is the local channel. Much of the argument around afk cloaking stems from the local channel as it is this that lets others know danger may have just entered the system pretty much instantly and usually before they can get to you should you decide to warp to a safe location. Most of the arguments against any kind of change to the cloaking is because it is considered a counter to that advantage.

For me I have two issues with the way it works.

The first is that it is the only situation outside of being docked where the cloaked person has complete immunity. Now it could be a bi product of watching too much Star Trek, but for me personally, if someone is hanging around your system cloaked I would love the opportunity - however that might manifest in the game - to go and hunt down that pain in the ass cloaker in system. I do not know personally by what method would be "fair or balanced" to do so, but I think that making them essentially invulnerable unless they leave the system just seems against the idea of ship battles and combat that CCP wants us to engage in.

The second is that I do not think it should be possible to cause disruption + being immune in the game while they are not in attendance of the game. Alt tabbing, watching television and watching TV while mining etc all require some form of returning to the game, for the most part to ensure that you do not die yourself. There is risk involved. A cloaked person in system has no risk - ever. Sure you can sit in a station indefinitely, but while you sit in the station nothing actually happens. I find it a little silly that you can sit in a ship, cloak in a random -0.7 security system - which is supposed to be dangerous - and go and to the Cinemas and have a night out with your partner all with the complete and full knowlege that your ship will be unharmed and sitting in space where you left it. It seems to be the only in game system that can do that short of being docked. The only other in space "Safe spot" is inside a POS - and while you are at the cinemas I can organise an attack on that POS if I had the resources making that safe place a "relatively" safe place, not a guaranteed safe spot, which is what the cloaking mechanism currently allows.

I do not know what would be the best changes to make this situation more balanced, whether changes to local channel are in order or whatnot, but I do not think that the current way that it works is very effective from a game play point of view.

It would add that currently completely lacking element of risk for afk-cloaky-campers. At the moment it's an entirely one sided matter when it comes to risk, and if there's nothing else I understand about eve, I do feel that I understand that when it comes to the pvp, there should always be a reasonable amount of risk for all involved. And there's certainly no need for afk-cloaky-campers except in relation to pvp, so shouldn't they also have to shoulder a certain amojunt of risk for doing it?

Can someone explain to me how AFK players are causing such a ruckus? Why is the AFK individual such a danger?

I picked this AFK playing thread because it was at the top at the time, but I'm being genuine here. What gives?

Does this psuedo rant have a point? You accuse me of several things in the guise of asking a question, why not make it something deliberate and pointed, instead of about generalities?

These are the players who like the idea of a spaceship game, but don't like risk. When risk rears its ugly head they then head to the forums demanding a change to mitigate the risk vs. adapting their behavior to do so.

They either did not realize or forgot they are playing a sandbox game where risk is an inherent feature, not a bug.

It's the uncertainty factor. You see the issue they have is that people gone for long periods of time, mess with the instant intel that local provides. The funny thing is, even if they had their way and nerfed cloaks, you can still use local against them. They just don't see that fact yet.

Well this is their issue, but many would hate the loss of this mechanic. We simply point out that if you wish to nerf claoks, then you must remove the intel from local first. Or as a package of changes.

Nerfing cloaks without addressing local, means sov null becomes way too safe. It's already as safe as if not safer in many respects, than high sec.