Missions & Complexes

I threw together a 4 T2 rep onieros in about 15 seconds in EFT.
it's cap stable in practice (if you swap rep targets at all it's stable), 1600 plate (m4 admittedly), has 4 slot tank, has 4 tracking links.
for running VG sites, literally the only difference to yours is that it reps more.


swap the PDS for a RC and you can fit a T2 plate and still have plenty of cap for VGs.
standard logi pilot implants assumed.

Solution to all armor's problems, :)
[Navitas, Perfect Armor Logi]

3x Centii A-Type Small Remote Armor Repair System

1MN Republic Fleet Afterburner
2x Federation Navy Tracking Link

2x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Explosive Membrane

2x Small Remote Repair Augmentor II
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell II

1x Light Armor Maintenance Bot II

[Statistics]
Effective HP: 2,870 (Eve: 2,554)
Tank Ability: 2.64 DPS

Damage Profile - EM: 25.00%, Ex: 25.00%, Ki: 25.00%, Th: 25.00%
Shield Resists - EM: 0.00%, Ex: 50.00%, Ki: 40.00%, Th: 20.00%
Armor Resists - EM: 76.19%, Ex: 73.20%, Ki: 69.04%, Th: 69.04%

Capacitor: Stable at 45.69%
Repair rate 368.5 hp / 182.5 hp/s

And the run time is even shorter than on most TDF fittings...

I can't use the slot 6 pg implant, because some of our fittings require slaves. 2 minutes of run time means lots of micro, what is a pita if you play it for hours no stop, it can't sustain 100% rep over the full site what makes it very impractical in tandem with BS with relative low resists where you need full RR for longer and it would be in major problems as soon as one Oni has a disconnect(because you will lose 25% of you repair power after 30-45s with the normal 2 minute fittings), you start the site with just one logi(since we don't wait on logis) or something happens to the gang links(what means that you need 100% rep + heat non stop, what burns the cap on your oni faster than your reppers). The fitting is build to solve a few issues we had with the normal oneiros fittings in practical day to day game play, is fairly well tested and has not lost a single ship in countless situations where it had to work without a 2. logi for 1-2 minutes or the hole site. If you play it in tandem with a RR marauder you got around the same rr power as 2 guardians -> 6 T2 RR, 1 ds med, 1 set of medium T2 RR drones, 5% less RR from the logi is not important for us, being able to keep up 100% RR with zero micromanagement while having a tank that makes it easy to fix by a RR BS is.

@ Goldiiee it has nothing to do with armor vs shields, I rather don't want this subject in this thread, since I fly both and think it is kind of pointless. My intention is to lift the general ban on medium RR modules in TDF, because they are fairly effective in a lot of setups and offer lots of options to both new and older logistic pilots.



I fly this fittings for another channel for fleets where a multi billion ISK BS is nothing special but the normal fleet setup that everybody uses. The oneiros fitting is specially build around to work at 100% in situations where other gangs would lose ships and is better than other fittings at preventing loses in worst case scenarios(with 100% succession rate). What logi would you prefer once you lose the 2. logistic? Option A: can sustain 100% reps, even under some neut pressure or option B what has to reduce the RR amount after a few seconds and is utterly screwed under neut pressure since it most of the time operates at the peak recharge point, while having a tank what makes it easy fixable by a marauder?

Btw we run the safest VG fleet of all channels that I know of. We can even survive with zero logis on grid, because we use a single hull unified fleet setup for dps that can build up a massive spider tank if required. We never lose hulls and our logis trade a small amount of effective hp\s(while still having more than most fittings that got used in TDF) for extra durability and a bullet prove cap stability. Nobody is worried that a Guardian or Oneiros with meta 4 repers can't keep people alive, the T2/ds med rep fitting reps even more but should suddenly be a problem for the fleet? That doesn't make sense.



Medium reppers got the same cycle time as large meta 4 ones(5s). If you work with fairly low resists on BS without plates you use 4 reps most of the time, since the damage intake is fairly high and alpha can take off a massive chunk of armor that needs to be reped back first.

While i understand your evaluation, I don't get the point.

As others have said, often a FC is very busy and looking for replacement Oni pilots he's going to go with something he knows and is familiar with.

Bottom line is the eve-survival fit is solid. Cap stable, reps fine. Fits 4 links. can easily refit to larger sites.

I've flown that fit plenty and get accepted into fleets with no delay.

While your med rep fit may work, why bother over a globally accepted fit.

The eve survival fit that I run is cap stable with everything running. And it has allowed me to be the hero when a logi has dc'd. So I don't understand your comment

The fact that your trying to do something different is the reason why I would take you on my fleets. This is the exact same thing that happened to me when I used my 5/1 MWD basi with a web going on HQ's years ago. I got a lot of smack saying MWD increases your sig bullshit, when in fact... I actually received less damage than when I was AB. The MWD obviously allowed me to be more flexy, and surprising enough more tanky.

But ^ is sound enough to be let in with by any FC that can even consider themself an FC... If not, run the other way cause he is probably one of these.

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P.S. Image is work safe, just the commonly known and used "I have no idea what I'm doing" dog.

I would let you run with me, but you won't make as much as if you ran with others for now.

It can be made cap stable easily with a genolution set (40mil total if you don't still have several sets from CCP's gifts over the last year or two). Hardly what I'd call expensive.

Even using an em-805 instead (146mil) isn't horribly expensive considering you are running incursions.

Jill,

At least in my replies I'm not questioning the fit. But say playing devils advocate. While I understand the reasoning behind the fit, I can also understand that often you will have FC's who are in the middle of running fleets, and looking for replacement pilots. They may not have time to ask why you replaced a large rep for a medium, and given a choice between your fit and a more "standard" fleet doctrine fit, will go with the standard fit. And there are good reasons this happens.

I liken it to a choice between say a vindicator pilot with meta4 guns vs a kronos pilot. I would generally go with the kronos pilot. Yes the vindicator generally would be considered a better option, but if busy running a fleet I would have to question why the vindi pilot wasnt running T2 guns. On the other hand, due to the SP requirements of a Kronos, I know his minimum skill level.

So my basic questions was essentially I understand your reasoning for your fit, but have to question why bother. The more "standard" fits work fine, and for me, get me into fleets quickly and without having to justify my skills etc.

In that case I wish you luck in your endeavor. Until then when I want to make some isk running incursions I will stick to the fits that get me accepted into fleets fast and without questions.

No it won't.

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