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How to bring in more subscribers

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Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#21 - 2011-11-11 08:57:32 UTC
0/10
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
#22 - 2011-11-11 09:22:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Fille Balle
Lady Skank wrote:
Here is a short list of things CCP can do to increase the playerbase.


  • High sec PvP flag, Make high sec safe sec so people who want to play the game casually without their experience being ruined can enjoy the game.
  • Reduce skill training time to something tolerable.
  • Have GMs provide consequences for scamming.
  • Consequences for corps and alliances that undertake large scale greifing operations.
  • War dec immunity flag in high sec
  • Generally make the game more pleasant for people who lack mental disorders.


Yes indeed. Allthough a lot of subs would be lost as well. And you left out the most important one:


  • PVP arenas for casual PVP

Stop the spamming, not the scamming!

Alara IonStorm
#23 - 2011-11-11 09:26:08 UTC
Fille Balle wrote:

  • PVP arenas for casual PVP
  • [/list]

    I actually like that idea. An Alliance Tourny Set-up.

    I prefer the fight way, way more then the hunt.

    Then again I am a pretty casual EVE O Player.
    Ris Dnalor
    Tribal Liberation Force
    Minmatar Republic
    #24 - 2011-11-11 09:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ris Dnalor
    Lady Skank wrote:
    Here is a short list of things CCP can do to increase the playerbase.


    • High sec PvP flag, Make high sec safe sec so people who want to play the game casually without their experience being ruined can enjoy the game.
    • Reduce skill training time to something tolerable.
    • Have GMs provide consequences for scamming.
    • Consequences for corps and alliances that undertake large scale greifing operations.
    • War dec immunity flag in high sec
    • Generally make the game more pleasant for people who lack mental disorders.


    eve is not safe. safe is boring. reward without risk turns eve into collecting imaginary objects. Plenty of other games for that.

    Nothing wrong with skill training. Fear not, you'll be able to buy training time boosters for aurum soon enough.

    Scamming is feature not a bug.

    griefing is already a no-no, however I think you're definition of griefing differs from ccp's. [edit: your definition is the one that's wrong, in case you're wondering ]

    war dec immunity? never going to happen.

    hello kitty online is that way ====> I think you mis-clicked when you arrived at eve online. Google could help you find your way.

    https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

    EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

    • Qolde
    Tagera
    Dog Nation
    #25 - 2011-11-11 12:36:26 UTC
    Nova Fox wrote:
    Go back to Star Trek Online, wait.. I forgot they took it offline for most of the reasons above.




    When did they shut it down?? That didn't take em long to go into the trashbin. Crappy game anyways, I bet the backers are all mad.
    Jaroslav Unwanted
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #26 - 2011-11-11 12:40:01 UTC
    This thread is now about Goons or CSM or griefing or carebears .. take your pick..
    Tippia
    Sunshine and Lollipops
    #27 - 2011-11-11 12:40:39 UTC
    Apollo Gabriel wrote:
    Really? Because this player wants a game to be different than YOU want the game they have to leave?
    Yes. If a player doesn't want to play EVE, he can choose not to play EVE. His not wanting to play EVE is not a reason to change EVE into something that it is not.
    Jaroslav Unwanted
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #28 - 2011-11-11 12:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
    Tippia wrote:
    Apollo Gabriel wrote:
    Really? Because this player wants a game to be different than YOU want the game they have to leave?
    Yes. If a player doesn't want to play EVE, he can choose not to play EVE. His not wanting to play EVE is not a reason to change EVE into something that it is not.


    Shush go away with "your" logic.

    What is and what is not EVE is not upon the playing entity to say. Its up to the one who own the game / CCP.

    Sure there is some player consensus what EVE is, suppose to be, will become, was. But that doesnt prove anything.

    P.S.
    And even if those "troll proposed changes" will become reality i doubt very hardly that it will help EVE. EVE is not "generic type MMO no. 146" And bringing up rules from those are not compatible with the game.
    Elric Astrius
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #29 - 2011-11-11 12:48:39 UTC
    Ok after reading all this trash you guys are throwing at the OP let me quote a posting from Serene a player here who has really epitomizes why people really dont like you PVP biggots honestly...


    { Have you ever considered the reason most people don't go into null or low sec is because you're out there? This may be hard to believe, and it isn't meant as an insult. If your idea of "play" is destroying things, including the efforts and aspirations of other people, and you're unhappy with null and low sec because there's just not enough people out there to get your ya yas out, it may be highly likely the problem is with you, not the mechanics of the game.

    The reason I say this is this issue of null/low/hi sec keeps getting tossed around, but the cogent point about why players aren't encouraged with the idea of leaving hi sec specifically isn't really covered adequately, or is so heavily stomped on by the "destructive" players who also can't seem to keep their attitudes confined to their playing "styles."

    So, here it is. The great majority of EVE players do not find constantly fighting with no real opportunity to be creative (rather than destructive) a satisfying, enjoyable or productive way to spend time. This obviates (Google it) itself by the sheer numbers of complaints from the destructive players, and the relative lack of similar complaints by those who are contemptuously labeled "Care Bears." It's even to the point where the destructive minority is urging CCP to change game mechanics to force the productive players into their arena so they may be supplied with a steady stream of victims.

    Oddly enough, this disdain for a destructive gaming style has not so much to do with cowardice (and the destructive types with some sort of bravery) as it has to do with the mind-numbing repetitiveness of destructive gameplay. Face it. More intelligent, and widely versed people require something a bit more intricate than pew pew to attract their interest. Self-imagined thugs, however, need only to kick a hole in something to get their titillating giggles out. The adrenalin rush is okay. The satisfaction of seeing an intricately planned and well-executed creation reach fruition is much, much better.

    As long as the majority of players see null and low sec as a sucker's bet populated only by those that intend to destroy everything creative players build, just to provide yucks for a minority of vocal (putting it nicely) vandals you will NOT see a major migration of hi sec players into low or null sec. Funny thing about intelligent people. They aren't stupid.

    Read it and weep. }


    Now you guys sit there and waste your breaths yelling at me about how your abuse towards others is really going to change anything other than show most of the community, how many of you are still wearing diapers and crying for your bubbas, because honestly all i see coming out of your mouths is **** and biggotry, if you cant accept the players suggesting radical ways of improving the game, then perhaps its "YOU" who needs to ship out of this game and start living your own lives instead of trying to ruin the experience of thousands for your own pleasures. Seriously this HAS to stop... If anything from what ive seen I feel like a ******* babysitter to the PVP crowd because they arent getting their way or hearing what they like, if you dont like something.. you can easily take a sewing needle and thread and sew your mouth shut for a change and let people express themselves you are NOT "GOD" nor are you even on the same level as a religious figure so why condemn those who are only trying to find ways to improve things.. You ******* biggots make me sick... Step back and check yourselves before vindicating anyone else!... GROW UP!

    Tippia
    Sunshine and Lollipops
    #30 - 2011-11-11 12:59:58 UTC
    Elric Astrius wrote:
    if you cant accept the players suggesting radical ways of improving the game
    People love ideas that radically improve the game. The OP's troll list of bad ideas doesn't do that — it removes the game from the market.

    Following the OP's logic, all games must be Super Mario Brothers. Do you want to take guess what happens at that point?
    Jaroslav Unwanted
    Brutor Tribe
    Minmatar Republic
    #31 - 2011-11-11 13:05:36 UTC
    I partially like what Elric Astrius wrote

    right until last paragraph which was not needed.
    St Mio
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #32 - 2011-11-11 13:10:58 UTC
    0/10
    WTB better forum trolls.
    Elric Astrius
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #33 - 2011-11-11 13:13:44 UTC
    Tippia wrote:
    Elric Astrius wrote:
    if you cant accept the players suggesting radical ways of improving the game
    People love ideas that radically improve the game. The OP's troll list of bad ideas doesn't do that — it removes the game from the market.

    Following the OP's logic, all games must be Super Mario Brothers. Do you want to take guess what happens at that point?



    I understand what you are saying, but we MUST learn to respect their logic even if to us it is skewed, now what are we saying here... we chastize people who might percieve the game in a extreme direction.. Forgive me tippia but isnt the whole PVP community a bit extreme, I read one posting where a guy shared a very disturbing story about his best friend screwing his wife and this was related to a PVP posting and it ended saying "im not going to cut your wanker off, you are; im just going to burn the shed" I reported it and really is this how people think in this game? If it is how the majority thinks then the OP has a right to go the other direction along the lines of SMB.. because at least then its innocent rather than full of gore and corruption .. EVE wasnt designed to cater to bloodlust... You got games like Medal of honor to do that or Black ops 3 ... If they want blood do it somewhere else. EVE is meant to cater to all people... Not only to those who seek revenge and blood... You know...
    Tippia
    Sunshine and Lollipops
    #34 - 2011-11-11 13:27:56 UTC
    Elric Astrius wrote:
    I understand what you are saying, but we MUST learn to respect their logic even if to us it is skewed
    Why must we do that? Wouldn't it be better to explain to them why it's such a horrendously stupid idea so they can learn and improve?
    Quote:
    Forgive me tippia but isnt the whole PVP community a bit extreme
    It is no more extreme than the “we must have safety, or you will all DIIIIIIE” nonsense you hear on the other side… quite a lot less extreme, in fact, since that opposite nonsense is just plain old untrue.
    Quote:
    I read one posting where a guy shared a very disturbing story about his best friend screwing his wife and this was related to a PVP posting and it ended saying "im not going to cut your wanker off, you are; im just going to burn the shed" I reported it and really is this how people think in this game?
    Nah. That sounds more like a WoW story… those guys are nuts, which is why they should stay there. Blink
    Quote:
    EVE wasnt designed to cater to bloodlust
    Actually, it was. Its whole existence is contingent on the continuous wholesale slaughter of tons upon tons of ships and equipment — without that, nothing else in the game serves any purpose any longer.
    Quote:
    EVE is meant to cater to all people...
    Close, but missing a crucial detail. EVE is meant to cater to all people who want to be in an interconnected universe where what you do matters, and where you are a cog in the eternal war machinery. It is not a happy place where you can do your own thing, because every thing you do affects everyone else, and you have to expect that everyone else will do their damnedest to affect you right back. It is not a sharded, instanced, multplay-as-the-mood-suits-you kind of game; you are never “just doing your thing” — the game quite literally does not support that gameplay.

    It's when you think it does that things start to go badly for you and you can't figure out why.
    Velicitia
    XS Tech
    #35 - 2011-11-11 13:34:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
    Lady Skank wrote:
    Here is a short list of things CCP can do to increase the playerbase.


    • High sec PvP flag, Make high sec safe sec so people who want to play the game casually without their experience being ruined can enjoy the game.
    • Reduce skill training time to something tolerable.
    • Have GMs provide consequences for scamming.
    • Consequences for corps and alliances that undertake large scale greifing operations.
    • War dec immunity flag in high sec
    • Generally make the game more pleasant for people who lack mental disorders.


    1. no. Hisec is safER, not safe. get over it.
    2. TBH, it is tolerable ... you're not one of those "I need L5 everything before I can fit a Triatan" types, are you?
    3. Working as intended. Lie, cheat, steal to your heart's content (just be prepared to deal with the consequences).
    4. "Griefing" ... you use this word a lot. I don't think it means what you think it means.
    5. ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY NO
    6. Hello Kitty Online is this way Arrow

    Edit -- and I'm a hisec miner/carebear/etc..

    One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

    Elric Astrius
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #36 - 2011-11-11 13:36:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Elric Astrius
    Let us hypothetically say that this poster does have "issues" we shouldnt close the book on the issue. NOT catering to those with learning disabilities is actually being inhumane to treat another human being with malice (now im not saying you tippia) but its very hard to look at this picture and not consider the "what if" scenario because sometimes you never know just who is behind this monitor i mean if we all thought in correct logic, there wouldnt be differences and science fiction would become reality. I think Tippia we are on the same page, but at the same time I just dont appreciate that people dont take the time to learn the community and try seeking them out in ways that arent being that hateful, now I am not saying ingame should be all rainbows and sunshine Blink but if we are going to co-exist shouldnt the communities have some truce.. At least have a neutral zone established i dont think 0.5 - 0.1 is going to cut it. If we are going to look at how to bring in subscribers we need to make sure CCP isnt pulling on the wrong strings. The OP had thier point but I think people went after her like a rabid dog, and well shes a human being... there has to be some shred of humanity left
    Uskos
    New Ceres Economics and Logsitcs
    #37 - 2011-11-11 14:27:03 UTC
    they see me trollin, they hatin!
    Heimdallofasgard
    Ministry of Furious Retribution
    Insidious.
    #38 - 2011-11-11 14:49:27 UTC
    Nice try.

    0/10...

    although I'm sure someone at ccp would give you a solid 6/10
    Mrs Sooperdudespaceman
    Doomheim
    #39 - 2011-11-11 16:17:59 UTC
    Elric Astrius wrote:
    I think the OP was serious


    I loled
    T'Laar Bok
    #40 - 2011-11-11 17:04:07 UTC
    This subject has been repeatedly raised since the game started. I'm sick of it. The solution is as simple as it is obvious.

    Gratuitous Nudity.

    Amphetimines are your friend.

    http://eveboard.com/pilot/T'Laar_Bok

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