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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Caldari Naga

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Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#201 - 2011-11-11 12:34:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
If it's going to be useful with torps it needs a stealth bomber style explosion velocity bonus - and a big one.

What's the point of giving it a weapon system that's only really useful against battleships, when a battleship would swat it like a bug?

The other tier 3 BCs can make use of their agility and speed to make transversal work in their favour, but that doesn't work with missiles, so give the Naga a good bonus for it.

Note: IIRC, it was the explosion velocity bonus that was removed, not the missile velocity bonus?
m0cking bird
Doomheim
#202 - 2011-11-12 01:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: m0cking bird
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


This thing would have done 500 damager per second @ 30,000 meters (null), very mobile and
have the most tank of any nano teir 3 battle-cruiser. Also, does 900 damage per second with anti-matter. I could see these in fleets smashing another fleet of Tornado's and most other ships. With the tracking damage and cap boost to blasters this would have been awesome!

This was a nano-blaster-rokh-A-DOOMZ! This was also a anti battleship, capital and with rigs
a anti-battlecruiser platform.

Now it's gimp and sh!t like most of the other tier 3 battlecruisers. Nerfed before it could be called overpowered (died to young). Thing could even fit stasis webifier and still have tank. I was looking forward to these new ships, but now... Think I may take another long break from this game.
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#203 - 2011-11-12 09:13:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Minner
Princess Cellestia wrote:
If CCP removed the hybrid stuff from the naga and beefed up the torp bonuses this thing would be awesome. But so far its weak as hell with torps. And why put blasters on it when you can just use a Talos and get much more dps. Looks like caldari is going to be the redheaded stepchild of the Tier 3s due to the split bonuses.



Ya I dont recomend flying the Talos with blasters or rails to anyone ether. As we can see that Hybirds and there ships will be par for corse as normal.

So dont stop your Projectial or Lazer training just yet your still going to need them.

Also if you were one of thoughs that thought Hybirds and there ships were going to be the new FoTM and started training Hybirds and hybird ships you can change your training to something more usefull to yourself then Hybirds and there ships.

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
m0cking bird
Doomheim
#204 - 2011-11-13 19:28:07 UTC
Had sometime to spend on some things. I'm really starting to think all tier 3 battle-cruisers are overpowered. Why would I ever use a Eagle (not that I do now) over a Naga or Talos. Both are incredible long range hybrid platforms. Same with the other tier 3 battle-cruisers (Zealot, Muninn, Eagle, Deimos NERF). CCP should limit these bonuses to auto-cannons, siege missiles, blasters, and pulse lasers. Also, CCP should get rid of siege missiles bonuses and hard-points on the Naga. Stick with hybrids...

This first setup is better than the Talos @ being a blaster ship...Ship has around 40,000 ehp, 1,400m/sec, 900 damage per second.


[Naga, ******]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium Shield Extender II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


This set-up is pretty nasty @ range. 500 damage per second @ 100km.


[Naga, ****** On The RooF!]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#205 - 2011-11-14 00:04:54 UTC
m0cking bird wrote:
Had sometime to spend on some things. I'm really starting to think all tier 3 battle-cruisers are overpowered. Why would I ever use a Eagle (not that I do now) over a Naga or Talos. Both are incredible long range hybrid platforms. Same with the other tier 3 battle-cruisers (Zealot, Muninn, Eagle, Deimos NERF). CCP should limit these bonuses to auto-cannons, siege missiles, blasters, and pulse lasers. Also, CCP should get rid of siege missiles bonuses and hard-points on the Naga. Stick with hybrids...

This first setup is better than the Talos @ being a blaster ship...Ship has around 40,000 ehp, 1,400m/sec, 900 damage per second.


[Naga, ******]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium Shield Extender II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Warp Scrambler II

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


This set-up is pretty nasty @ range. 500 damage per second @ 100km.


[Naga, ****** On The RooF!]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II

425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L
425mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Plutonium Charge L

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I



Ya now the only problem is that there BS partners are going to out tank all of them at range and rip them apart. There only real shot at Major fleet battles is to get in close with thoughs auto's/blasters/pulse/torps. For small ganges it realy depends on how that gang wants to use them. So I think there just fine as is though I would not be ringing the OP bell just yet as the weapon systems them selfs are Large and there brother BC's get bounses to Med witch are way more usefull against omost all ships.

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Havegun Willtravel
Mobile Alcohol Processing Units
#206 - 2011-11-16 01:16:01 UTC
Would have liked to seen more work put into making this a balanced and viable missle boat.

None the less it definately seems to have alot of potential as a gun ship, but I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4.
Nimrod Nemesis
Doomheim
#207 - 2011-11-16 04:29:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4.


lolwut? It's looking like the better of the much more than four caldari hybrid ships (for practical pvp applications at least), not the worst. And if you expected a drone-less paper-tanked BC to be the new pve hotness, I think you were mislead.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#208 - 2011-11-16 08:22:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Mike Whiite
Nimrod Nemesis wrote:
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4.


lolwut? It's looking like the better of the much more than four caldari hybrid ships (for practical pvp applications at least), not the worst. And if you expected a drone-less paper-tanked BC to be the new pve hotness, I think you were mislead.


And the only one I see now and then are the harpy and the Falcon, and that last one has more to do with it's ability to use a covert opps cloaking device than a its's hybrid awesomeness.

not to mention Havegun Willtravel was refering to the tier 3 battlecruiseres in stead of caldari hybridships.
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#209 - 2011-11-16 10:56:36 UTC
Well I suspect I won't be using any of the hybrid versions of these tier3's, but if I was going to then the Naga is a lot better option than the Talos. And for all of you who continue to insist on trying to post Talos blaster fits - STOP IT ! It is never going to work ! What part of no tank do you not understand !! It's a crappy ship with crappy weapons and no way to survive any close range encounter. Just give up, once and for all. You've flogged that poor dead horse to dust.
Vincent Gaines
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#210 - 2011-11-16 14:11:18 UTC
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
Would have liked to seen more work put into making this a balanced and viable missle boat.

None the less it definately seems to have alot of potential as a gun ship, but I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4.


The only missile boat used in PvP is the drake, and not because of the missiles but because it has a great passive tank.

Not a diplo. 

The above post was edited for spelling.
Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#211 - 2011-11-16 14:30:22 UTC
Vincent Gaines wrote:

The only missile boat used in PvP is the drake, and not because of the missiles but because it has a great passive tank.




Probably depends on the what and where. FW is usualy pvp with smaller ships and there are quite some missle ships among those.
Jazz5253
Galactic Extensive Technologies
#212 - 2011-11-16 16:13:47 UTC
Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#213 - 2011-11-16 16:45:03 UTC
Jazz5253 wrote:
Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=338846#post338846

"Dont forget CCP why created Naga so useless, because they want to change the 0.0 drake fleets to gun fleets (tornado). Missile swarms just create lags, drones create lags, they dont want them. So, they just dont want to create another missile fleet for 0.0 fights."
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#214 - 2011-11-16 16:55:36 UTC
Jazz5253 wrote:
Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(


No torps now?

Well cross that off the Christmas list.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Jazz5253
Galactic Extensive Technologies
#215 - 2011-11-17 05:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jazz5253
Jazz5253 wrote:
Hmmm, was just on SiSi. Naga Show Info isn't stating any bonus for torps. Also wouldn't let me fit torp launchers. :( So now we will have not one but two new hybrid ships coming to the game with the winter expansion. Useless to me...if there are no missiles or torps. :(



Sadly, today I reported this as a possible bug and quickly received a reply that set that thought straight. So, no new ship for me this expansion...maybe next time. Sad
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#216 - 2011-11-17 06:12:44 UTC
Mike Whiite wrote:
Nimrod Nemesis wrote:
Havegun Willtravel wrote:
I get the feeling it might end up being the least used of the 4.


lolwut? It's looking like the better of the much more than four caldari hybrid ships (for practical pvp applications at least), not the worst. And if you expected a drone-less paper-tanked BC to be the new pve hotness, I think you were mislead.


And the only one I see now and then are the harpy and the Falcon, and that last one has more to do with it's ability to use a covert opps cloaking device than a its's hybrid awesomeness.

not to mention Havegun Willtravel was refering to the tier 3 battlecruiseres in stead of caldari hybridships.



This ship will end up being the second most used of the Tier 3 BC's with Winmatar in number 1 place. I will tell you why.

1.) The only other ship in game that can load up 8xTorps or it's = to is a Tech 2 Battle Ship and it's a maurauder class one. So if you want 8XTorps for something in a pvp enviroment but you dont want to or cant take that non-Pvp Marauder ship in there you now can use a Naga in its place.

2.) All the Tier 3 Battle Cruisers are going to be great for taking down class 1-2 POS's were you cant take a Battle Ship into. And Torps are hands down one of the fastest weapons in witch to do that.

3.)Tthis ships would also be great for man handling a capital ship if they happend to build one into there WH system.

4.) Basicly the only things this and all Tier 3 Battle cruisers are going to suck at is Major fleet fights and mybe missions do to lack of tank and drone bays.

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#217 - 2011-11-17 07:41:11 UTC
Rip Minner wrote:

This ship will end up being the second most used of the Tier 3 BC's with Winmatar in number 1 place. I will tell you why.

1.) The only other ship in game that can load up 8xTorps or it's = to is a Tech 2 Battle Ship and it's a maurauder class one. So if you want 8XTorps for something in a pvp enviroment but you dont want to or cant take that non-Pvp Marauder ship in there you now can use a Naga in its place.



Except that the Naga has NO launcher hardpoints, turrets only! So that is 2 Hybrid platforms and Hybrid Balance is Borked.

What number now?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#218 - 2011-11-17 13:01:25 UTC
lol

I was looking forward to the naga as torp platform but meh...
Aphrodite Skripalle
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2011-11-17 14:48:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Aphrodite Skripalle
OK, everone really likes the new ships and likes how to make damage.. me too.

But i am pretty sure, if they are overpowered, they will get nerfed soon, because they need to be balanced to not make other ships completly obsolete.
IMHO this looks not well balanced, just a bad feeling. Do not give too much chocolate to us, because you will have to take that later away and then people feel bad.

And yes, i have tested them on sisi.
Voseros
#220 - 2011-11-17 16:56:22 UTC
I'll be really disappointed if they do get rid of the torps, at the very least they can stick to the 'raven up close' motif and remove one, or Thor forbid two, of the launchers if they feel its too powerful.



In my view the Naga should be a beasty, cheap, glass, Gank-mobile with Torps fitted and a glass cheaper-than-Rokh sniper with rails fitted.

The purpose of these Tier 3 BC's should be to get players with lower SP's and less ISK able to contribute BS level DPS to their corps fleets, if they're willing to take the risk of being more vulnerable and likely to get primaried than say if they turned up in a Drake or a Cane. Thing is along side BS's they'd should still be less likely to get primaried since the BS's should still be the more expensive ships.