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Stubborn Alliances / Corporations

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-08-07 08:11:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
I have been war deccing corporations and alliances for quite a few years now. My terms are usually pretty reasonable, fealty, isk and recently docking rights in a null station.

I have done a lot of damage to peoples playtime, apart from blowing up their ships, preventing them from undocking, missioning, ratting, caused quite a lot to disband from corporation and had a few quit the game in frustration.

But it seems no matter what I do its virtually impossible to convince even the most frightened and frustrated player to part with isk or negotiate a fair resolution to the conflict.

I think this stubborn mentality can be seen in similiar ransom situations (example carrier gets tackled and prefers to self destruct rather than pay a ransom even though the ransom might be worth 10% of ship and fittings).

Why do think EvE players are so stubborn they would rather lose totally than negotiate and lose a little bit?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#2 - 2013-08-07 08:14:38 UTC
Because 9/10 the ship will be blown up anyway. Never not not trust ransomers.

ヽ(⌒∇⌒)ﾉ へ(゜∇、°)へ (◕‿◕✿)
Feledain
Elmsfeuer
#3 - 2013-08-07 08:21:30 UTC
Because:
Why trust the guy who caused the problem in the first place?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#4 - 2013-08-07 08:23:43 UTC

Many of my friends do not have this problem. www.belligerentundesirables.com or Crime and Punishment may have the answers you are seeking.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-08-07 08:24:04 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

But it seems no matter what I do its virtually impossible to convince even the most frightened and frustrated player to part with isk or negotiate a fair resolution to the conflict.


I think a fair resolution would be for you to go home and rethink your entire life, possibly quitting the game.

Anyway,

<----------------------------- Crime and Punishment is this way.


Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-08-07 08:28:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
If I remember correctly, the Thukkers were offering a secure third party ransom service for the very same reason, not sure if this service is still available or if it was a flop or scam.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-08-07 08:29:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
We do not negotiate with terrorists. You attack one of ours, we wipe the floor with you, your family, friends, colleagues and anyone else that might have had a deal with you in the past month. Then we do it all over again just to make sure you got the message.

Besides, if he pays, what's stopping you from killing him anyway? Honor? Don't make me laugh.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-08-07 08:30:31 UTC
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
If I remember correctly, the Thukkers were offering a secure third party ransom service for the very same reason, not sure if this service is still available or if it was a flop or scam.

Probably wouldnt have worked, would be a bit to slow likely.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#9 - 2013-08-07 09:27:27 UTC
Bordem is the best defence.
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-08-07 09:32:16 UTC
The majority of ransomers will just blow your ship up anyway now, theres no honour in ransoming. (I don't know if there ever was as I am still new). Shocked

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Taiwanistan
#11 - 2013-08-07 09:32:33 UTC
thank you for doing god's work

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-08-07 09:38:10 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
The majority of ransomers will just blow your ship up anyway now, theres no honour in ransoming. (I don't know if there ever was as I am still new). Shocked

I guess the question is what came first? Killing after ransom or self destruct before ransom.

If memory serves I believe there were attempts at ransom but more often than not a pilot would self destruct rather than pay. I think this resulted in ransoms not being offered anymore. Keep in mind I think SD used to be 30 secs and not broadcast. Could be wrong.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Fuji 9000
Sleeping Dogs Awake
#13 - 2013-08-07 10:05:34 UTC
For wardecs there is a surrender option.. but you usually have to contact the decced corp and tell them that the option exists.

They should prob get rid of the 24hr surrender cooldown because it acts as a deterent to using the mechanic.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-08-07 10:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I have been war deccing corporations and alliances for quite a few years now. My terms are usually pretty reasonable, fealty, isk and recently docking rights in a null station.

I have done a lot of damage to peoples playtime, apart from blowing up their ships, preventing them from undocking, missioning, ratting, caused quite a lot to disband from corporation and had a few quit the game in frustration.

But it seems no matter what I do its virtually impossible to convince even the most frightened and frustrated player to part with isk or negotiate a fair resolution to the conflict.

I think this stubborn mentality can be seen in similiar ransom situations (example carrier gets tackled and prefers to self destruct rather than pay a ransom even though the ransom might be worth 10% of ship and fittings).

Why do think EvE players are so stubborn they would rather lose totally than negotiate and lose a little bit?


Your doing it wrong... I am up 2 bil since the start of this month alone.

I might not make as much as other professions... but I make enough to support my type of gameplay.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Fuji 9000
Sleeping Dogs Awake
#15 - 2013-08-07 10:20:06 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Your doing it wrong... I am up 2 bil since the start of this month alone.

I might not make as much as other professions... but I make enough to support my type of gameplay.


yeah but you're the evefamous Cannibal Kane, people probably offer you isk before the war begins
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-08-07 10:23:36 UTC
Fuji 9000 wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
Your doing it wrong... I am up 2 bil since the start of this month alone.

I might not make as much as other professions... but I make enough to support my type of gameplay.


yeah but you're the evefamous Cannibal Kane, people probably offer you isk before the war begins


That also happens...

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
#17 - 2013-08-07 11:12:33 UTC
If a corp was to pay then whats to stop you re-decing next month demanding more money.....
Or it goes public that they are known for paying off war-decs...

Thats probably the stubbornness you are seeing.

Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-08-07 11:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
They're just being altruistic.

If they pay you, they increase the incentive for you to continue your behavior - whereas if they don't pay, you might eventually look for a more profitable profession.

Sure, for them individually it might be beneficial to pay you, as you will honor the terms of the settlement and go harass someone else - but for society as a whole it is much better if they take the fall and discourage such behavior, preventing other predators from imitating your success and protecting other potential victims.

Mankind didn't get where it is by being selfish, the willingness to take one for the team is hardcoded into our brains to the point where we frequently make altruistic decisions without even being aware of it.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-08-07 11:15:06 UTC
Yeah well its very annoying. All I want is to dock...

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jack Morrison
Team Liquid crp.
#20 - 2013-08-07 11:31:29 UTC
There must be something wrong in your wording. Some guys i decced paid before war went active, I ransomed battleships and even freighters. All in those few months i have been running wardecs. I would say about 10-20% pay their way out, but even then most are actually surprised you held your word and even thank you Shocked

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