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flakeys
Doomheim
#121 - 2013-08-07 09:07:21 UTC
Joepopo wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
Yeah, being involved in making gaming history is kinda neat. Say what you want, you'll never do that without the blobs.

Being a single pixel in a picture that becomes famous means nothing. If you took that one pixel away nobody would notice.

Harry is right. Blob warfare at 90% TiDi is garbage, as is alliance play and its shonky metagame politics.


Interesting, Mr nobody.

On one side, you say that one pixel of mona lisa is irrelevant, you need to have all of them to capture the beauty of it.
On the other side you say that blobs (ie having all pixels) is garbage.

What a twisted mind.



He's as much a mister nobody to most in eve as you are.You can't whore eve-fame as you can whore killmails you know ...

He's saying that in a picture of a 1000 people you can take 1 out without anyone seeing it.Then he adds that a picture of one tells more then a picture of a thousand.

What he is forgetting though is that one person can stand out in a picture of a 1000 people.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2013-08-07 09:11:14 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.

Null is not sandbox. Null mechanics in place at the moment mean there is only one way to do anything in null and thats blob alliances. A true null sec sandbox would allow for new emergent null gameplay. This is currently impossible.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#123 - 2013-08-07 09:13:35 UTC
Joepopo wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
CompleteFailure wrote:
Yeah, being involved in making gaming history is kinda neat. Say what you want, you'll never do that without the blobs.

Being a single pixel in a picture that becomes famous means nothing. If you took that one pixel away nobody would notice.

Harry is right. Blob warfare at 90% TiDi is garbage, as is alliance play and its shonky metagame politics.


Interesting, Mr nobody.

On one side, you say that one pixel of mona lisa is irrelevant, you need to have all of them to capture the beauty of it.
On the other side you say that blobs (ie having all pixels) is garbage.

What a twisted mind.

Edit: It also takes some time to really appreciate 90%TiDi blobs. I enjoyed 6VDT stepping back 1 meter from my computer screen, drinking single malt islay scotch whisky, contemplating my dreadnought delivering a slow,very slow and agonizing death to hundreads of prophecies and it was delicious.

Google my avatar name. You'll find me in EvE Wiki. Google yours you'll find. . . A couple of forum posts

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#124 - 2013-08-07 09:14:24 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.

Null is not sandbox. Null mechanics in place at the moment mean there is only one way to do anything in null and thats blob alliances. A true null sec sandbox would allow for new emergent null gameplay. This is currently impossible.


Well organised fleets with a coherent ship/fitting doctrine are going to be optimal in just about any conceivable meta.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#125 - 2013-08-07 09:15:02 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.

Null is not sandbox. Null mechanics in place at the moment mean there is only one way to do anything in null and thats blob alliances. A true null sec sandbox would allow for new emergent null gameplay. This is currently impossible.


Blame the game and not the players.

❤️️💛💚💙💜
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#126 - 2013-08-07 09:15:18 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.

Null is not sandbox. Null mechanics in place at the moment mean there is only one way to do anything in null and thats blob alliances. A true null sec sandbox would allow for new emergent null gameplay. This is currently impossible.


Impossible means you haven't found the solution yet. It is possible, but not for one man.

ヽ(⌒∇⌒)ﾉ へ(゜∇、°)へ (◕‿◕✿)
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#127 - 2013-08-07 09:20:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.


like fast food is not good for your body, too much mindless pew pew is not good for your mind

the game can be very complex if you play it the right way, but some just use a tuned down version

big alliances provide this so called fast food version of the game, thats what we all need to fight

I see lots of people who got severe braindamage because of it

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Joepopo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#128 - 2013-08-07 09:22:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Joepopo
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Google my avatar name. You'll find me in EvE Wiki. Google yours you'll find. . . A couple of forum posts


You are no one to me and this is all that matters.

I won't come and tell your gameplay is garbage because, honestly, I don't care.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2013-08-07 09:25:47 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.

Null is not sandbox. Null mechanics in place at the moment mean there is only one way to do anything in null and thats blob alliances. A true null sec sandbox would allow for new emergent null gameplay. This is currently impossible.


Well organised fleets with a coherent ship/fitting doctrine are going to be optimal in just about any conceivable meta.

This would of course be the primary win button however if the system was not deliberately coded to exclude other forms of play there would be other forms of play.

The ability to project those fleets across the entire map in no time at all, identify start ups with F10 msp, as well as a lack of requirement to defend, set up logistics in and out of null claimed space and the ability to lock up huge amounts of null easily prevents any other play style.

Sure one person shouldnt do it, although I currently am because Im insane and illogical, but even 100 people are prevented from doing it.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Joepopo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#130 - 2013-08-07 09:25:59 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

like fast food is not good for your body, too much mindless pew pew is not good for your mind


Have you consider putting a spy alt in GSF. Maybe you will see from the inside we do a bit more than that...

Then you can continue lying to yourself and to the other people, saying GSF is about pushing F1.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#131 - 2013-08-07 09:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Harry, in all seriousness, you'll never achieve even semi-fame if you
keep making threads like these.

In case this is planned as a marketing scheme to gather people,
I am almost sorry having to tell you that you will only gather people
who aren't worth it in the long run.

We all kind of appreciate your efforts, but most do that only because
you are ridiculing (sp? sorry) yourself and they have something to laugh about.

Proof is right in this tthread... and it only achieves that you get angry
and people will laugh even more about you.

You say you like bombers bar... and yeah they are great.
A few individuals poking the big guys in a way that creates fun for all involved,
but not in the same, embarrassing, way as you do.

So... if you want to achieve something,
then look at what the achievers do... and do not.
Like... making silly rant threads that lead to nothing.

The biggest of all is that actions speak louder than words...
and all you do so far is using words,
because there is nothing else that brings you attention.

Try again, but differently.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2013-08-07 09:31:44 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Harry, in all seriousness, you'll never achieve even semi-fame if you
keep making threads like these.

In case this is planned as a marketing scheme to gather people,
I am almost sorry having to tell you that you will only gather people
who aren't worth it in the long run.

We all kind of appreciate your efforts, but most do that only because
you are ridiculing (sp? sorry) yourself and they have something to laugh about.

Proof is right in this tthread... and it only achieves that you get angry
and people will laugh even more about you.

You say you like bombers bar... and yeah they are great.
A few individuals poking the big guys in a way that creates fun for all involved,
but not in the same, embarrassing, way as you do.

So... if you want to achieve something,
then look at what the achievers do... and do not.
Like... making silly rant threads that lead to nothing.

The biggest of all is that actions speak louder than words...
and all you do so far is using words,
because there is nothing else that brings you attention.

Try again, but differently.

Never spoken to him or you. But I know who he is and what he does. You I just have no clue on.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Joepopo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2013-08-07 09:43:19 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
...

Never spoken to him or you. But I know who he is and what he does. You I just have no clue on.



And yet you can't recognize which one of the two makes sense.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#134 - 2013-08-07 09:46:07 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.

Null is not sandbox. Null mechanics in place at the moment mean there is only one way to do anything in null and thats blob alliances. A true null sec sandbox would allow for new emergent null gameplay. This is currently impossible.


Well organised fleets with a coherent ship/fitting doctrine are going to be optimal in just about any conceivable meta.

This would of course be the primary win button however if the system was not deliberately coded to exclude other forms of play there would be other forms of play.

The ability to project those fleets across the entire map in no time at all, identify start ups with F10 msp, as well as a lack of requirement to defend, set up logistics in and out of null claimed space and the ability to lock up huge amounts of null easily prevents any other play style.

Sure one person shouldnt do it, although I currently am because Im insane and illogical, but even 100 people are prevented from doing it.


Hmmm so maybe if CCP added a few thousand systems where power projection was incredibly difficult, but the rewards were high enough to make the additional logistics overheads worth tolerating for small, skillfull groups?

Yeah I like where your suggestions are leading. I like it so much I just used my magic CSM time machine and got CCP to implement it back in 2009.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#135 - 2013-08-07 09:47:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Solstice Project wrote:
Harry, in all seriousness, you'll never achieve even semi-fame if you
keep making threads like these.

In case this is planned as a marketing scheme to gather people,
I am almost sorry having to tell you that you will only gather people
who aren't worth it in the long run.

We all kind of appreciate your efforts, but most do that only because
you are ridiculing (sp? sorry) yourself and they have something to laugh about.

Proof is right in this tthread... and it only achieves that you get angry
and people will laugh even more about you.

You say you like bombers bar... and yeah they are great.
A few individuals poking the big guys in a way that creates fun for all involved,
but not in the same, embarrassing, way as you do.

So... if you want to achieve something,
then look at what the achievers do... and do not.
Like... making silly rant threads that lead to nothing.

The biggest of all is that actions speak louder than words...
and all you do so far is using words,
because there is nothing else that brings you attention.

Try again, but differently.


the only one speaking much in anger without content is you dude, and the only one laughing was me and the other guy when you tried to sneak up on us in game and you did not even know what you want to tell us... that was pretty silly, please look in the mirror and try to do better next time

big content is story, I don't see yours... I think you just don't get the topic

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Joepopo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2013-08-07 09:59:00 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

the only one speaking much in anger without content is you dude, and the only one laughing was me and the other guy when you tried to sneak up on us in game and you did not even know what you want to tell us... that was pretty silly, please look in the mirror and try to do better next time

big content is story, I don't see yours... I think you just don't get the topic



blablabla.

People try to help you, you should just listen to them. Even teenagers listen more than you.
flakeys
Doomheim
#137 - 2013-08-07 10:06:28 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.

Null is not sandbox. Null mechanics in place at the moment mean there is only one way to do anything in null and thats blob alliances. A true null sec sandbox would allow for new emergent null gameplay. This is currently impossible.


The problem actually is that the sandbox has made it possible to do this.What a lot of people don't understand is that if you open up a lot of possibilities the solution usually becomes more narrowminded/standard then when you enforce rules.

Rules like maximum amount of blue standing , maximum number of systems being held by one corp/alliance , minimum amount of 'participation' in a system to keep sov , etc

I myself much dislike the blobstyle but it is something made possible thanks to the sandbox ... i would welcome more boundries with open arms.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys
Doomheim
#138 - 2013-08-07 10:08:01 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.


like fast food is not good for your body, too much mindless pew pew is not good for your mind

the game can be very complex if you play it the right way, but some just use a tuned down version

big alliances provide this so called fast food version of the game, thats what we all need to fight

I see lots of people who got severe braindamage because of it



Helping out fellow victims are we ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2013-08-07 10:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
You try to hard... which is why I think you're a joke.

People that make a change do... they dont tell others they are planning on doing something.

Action speak louder than words. All I have seen and heard so far is words.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#140 - 2013-08-07 10:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Malcanis wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mizhir wrote:
What part of Sandbox doesn't ppl understand?

If someone likes to do blob warfare, let him do it.

Null is not sandbox. Null mechanics in place at the moment mean there is only one way to do anything in null and thats blob alliances. A true null sec sandbox would allow for new emergent null gameplay. This is currently impossible.


Well organised fleets with a coherent ship/fitting doctrine are going to be optimal in just about any conceivable meta.

This would of course be the primary win button however if the system was not deliberately coded to exclude other forms of play there would be other forms of play.

The ability to project those fleets across the entire map in no time at all, identify start ups with F10 msp, as well as a lack of requirement to defend, set up logistics in and out of null claimed space and the ability to lock up huge amounts of null easily prevents any other play style.

Sure one person shouldnt do it, although I currently am because Im insane and illogical, but even 100 people are prevented from doing it.


Hmmm so maybe if CCP added a few thousand systems where power projection was incredibly difficult, but the rewards were high enough to make the additional logistics overheads worth tolerating for small, skillfull groups?

Yeah I like where your suggestions are leading. I like it so much I just used my magic CSM time machine and got CCP to implement it back in 2009.

Wormholes are a crusty bone CCP threw out there to make up for the shonky null mechanics. They're annoying to live in, annoying to have any active sort of systems war. Some people want to fight for and participate in null. Like me. However its not possible to do that with the way null is atm.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)