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What's the best way to keep my drones from dying in lvl 4's?

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Kagasumi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-08-06 17:17:26 UTC
Just resubbed after a long while away. A lot has changed.

So apparently now, drones get targetted easily. Also there's a thing called MJD.

I've never done level 4's, and want to start in a few days after a few skills pop. How do I keep my drones from dying? Will shooting at the enemy ship be enough? Is there another item that can increase my agro?

I can repair them remotely I *think* (sorry its been a while). What is the distance limit on that?

Thanks for any advice on this. I forgot a lot of stuff, but I want to get back in without getting slaughtered.
Jayne Hobb
25yrs old man playing genshin impact at 4am
#2 - 2013-08-06 17:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayne Hobb
Your only real choice is to shoot at some stuff to get their attention, and then drop the drones. You then have to watch them, and if you see them taking damage, you call them back, then redeploy. In some missions, you can basically plop them out, and forget about them. Others, the NPCs switch to the drones within seconds, over and over. To be honest, unless I know the mission, and know that you can pretty much just put them out there, I just use T1 drones, and accept losses. A T2 Hobgoblin is going to set me back 400-500k, and they die FAST. A T1 is going to do 20% less damage, but they are far from my main damage dealer, and a T1 costs me like, 10k. I will let 10k drones pop all day long. not so much at a half mil each. The only exception is when I am using sentries. They are then a good chunk of my DPS, and I have to sit on top of them anyway, so then I use T2, and watch them like a hawk.

If you are flying a drone boat, or something with a utility high, you can remote rep them, sure. But this typically isnt worth the effort unless they are senties, as the remote rep has a short range.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-08-06 17:27:18 UTC
Kagasumi wrote:
Is there another item that can increase my agro?



Target painter
Nosferatu
Shield transporters and remote armor repair systems (in most cases you can't run these forever but few cycles should send the correct message to NPCs Big smile)
Kagasumi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-08-06 17:32:48 UTC
Jayne Hobb wrote:
Your only real choice is to shoot at some stuff to get their attention, and then drop the drones. You then have to watch them, and if you see them taking damage, you call them back, then redeploy. In some missions, you can basically plop them out, and forget about them. Others, the NPCs switch to the drones within seconds, over and over. To be honest, unless I know the mission, and know that you can pretty much just put them out there, I just use T1 drones, and accept losses. A T2 Hobgoblin is going to set me back 400-500k, and they die FAST. A T1 is going to do 20% less damage, but they are far from my main damage dealer, and a T1 costs me like, 10k. I will let 10k drones pop all day long. not so much at a half mil each. The only exception is when I am using sentries. They are then a good chunk of my DPS, and I have to sit on top of them anyway, so then I use T2, and watch them like a hawk.

If you are flying a drone boat, or something with a utility high, you can remote rep them, sure. But this typically isnt worth the effort unless they are senties, as the remote rep has a short range.



Thanks! I plan on using sentries, if possible. From what I gather so far, I should use MJD to get distance, then attack them as they approach me. Still reading up on this...
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-08-06 17:33:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Don't send lights out past ~7.5km-10km (skills depending) unless you're constantly watching aggro.

Don't deploy anything bigger (sentries don't count) unless its point blank or there are no frigs or elite cruisers left.


Sentries just keep an eye on them and recall as required. The rest use if you feel like micro managing like a mad thing or you get some elite frigs leaking through.

I've NEVER found anything that reliably keeps aggro on you - stuff just switches when it wants to. The size categories generally hold true, however.


Edit: that's about right with the MJD tactic. I find jumping optional, it depends on incoming DPS


Also TPs are worthless (for aggro), I use a pair and lights/sentries still get shot by rats.



That said, it's just a speed bump - frigs bore in point blank anyway so can be ignored until the end unless you're not confident of tanking it. For anything else non-sentry DPS is anaemic and just not worth the hassle in my experience.
Kagasumi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-08-06 17:33:49 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Kagasumi wrote:
Is there another item that can increase my agro?



Target painter
Nosferatu
Shield transporters and remote armor repair systems (in most cases you can't run these forever but few cycles should send the correct message to NPCs Big smile)


I will try target painter and see how that works. Definitely I will be ready to warp out as fast as I can on the first try, in case it goes really bad.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#7 - 2013-08-06 17:56:05 UTC
As a general rule in level 4s, I put the target painter on, shoot first, and then send drones in; this way they rarely catch aggro. It sometimes happens but not so much that I can say I lose a drone per mission. Things have to be going very wrong for that to happen.

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Whitehound
#8 - 2013-08-06 18:18:29 UTC
NPCs now assess a threat level and may switch targets. Bringing a big gun is sometimes all it needs to keep NPCs on your ship and to distract from your drones.

There is also a rule regarding what NPC attacks what type of drone.

Elite frigates and cruisers NPCs will go for small drones and above.
Frigates and Cruisers NPCs will go for medium drones and above.
Battleship NPCs will go for large drones.


(From the patch notes to Retribution 1.0.7 - link.)

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Kery Nysell
#9 - 2013-08-06 19:12:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kery Nysell
You need to learn who are the Elite NPC ships in each class (Frigate, Cruisers) and then either shoot them with your guns/missiles/target painters and AFTER THAT send drones in (still watching them, and not too far to be able to recall them before they die if they take the aggro).

Once the Elites are gone, Light and Medium drones are safe ... Heavies are a bit more tricky since Battleship NPCs will aggro them, and they are slooooooow, but if you fly a ship that has enough dronebay and bandwidth for Heavies, you'd be better served by using Sentries instead (more HPs, more DPS).

Also, contrary to popular belief it seems, Tech 2 drones are sooooo worth it : faster, more hit points, hit harder, better in every aspect except price, and if you lose one, you've done something wrong.

It all depends on the type of ship you're flying too : a dedicated drone boat should fit some remote reppers (armor AND shield) to really tick off the NPCs, while a Navy Scorpion should have Tech 2 Cruise launchers with Precision missiles for the Elites, Fury missiles for the BC/BS and some cruisers, and Light and Medium drones for non-elite frigate and cruiser work.

I still keep a Small Remote Armor Repairer in the spare high slot of my SNI, because sometimes in some missions there is a "proximity aggro" where non-elite frigates and cruisers will aggro drones that stray too close, but I haven't lost a drone in months ... at the worst, they've gone to 50% armour before reaching the drone bay.

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Jani Padecain
Panama Investment Bank
#10 - 2013-08-06 20:59:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Jani Padecain
I used to rat in null in two remote repping domi“s.

Bouth had small remote armor repper fitted. Enough to keep sentrys alive untill most of incoming dps were dead.
I also had MJD. If rats gets closer than 20km I scooped drones and MJD some more distance.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#11 - 2013-08-07 03:12:40 UTC
I only use lights and sentries. mostly just have to watch out for elite frigs, and they aren't even in a whole bunch of missions. with sentries I usually do enough dps that they don't even get targeted, and when they do they are easy to scoop.

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