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Buff small gang PvP: move logi off-grid
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Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-08-06 16:15:47 UTC
How about we give POSes engines and fly them around?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Isaac Collins
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-08-06 17:10:06 UTC
OFF GRID DOOMS DAY OFF GRID DOOMS DAY PLEASE PLEASE I WANT TO 9/11 KID ALL DAY
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#23 - 2013-08-06 17:16:15 UTC
Ooh, good idea, guys! To counter POSes you just have to build your own POS with thrusters and bump the enemy POS away from its moon!

BRB posting new thread with this idea.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Transmaritanus
Exergy.
#24 - 2013-08-06 17:36:48 UTC
This is obviously a troll post, half the people on the first page are complete idiots. I mean someone even spelled it out for you.
Quote:

Arduemont wrote:

Petrus B wrote:

Buff small gang PvP: move logi off-grid.


I hope this is a troll. If it's an ironic statement, against the use of On Grid Boosts, then I applaud you sir.

If your actually serious than your ******* idiot.


It's pretty well done. In fact, appears to be a copy and paste, with "off grid boosts" replaced with "logi".
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-08-06 17:37:56 UTC
I approve this product or service.

Lol

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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#26 - 2013-08-06 18:06:54 UTC
Hmm... I just realized a problem. RR is targeted and targeting is not a thing when you're off grid.

How about this? You can rep everyone in your squad/wing/fleet at the same time, but it's only by a little bit (15% or something). That's of course followed up by bonuses and skills, but it should be balanced, right? (adding this to OP too)

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-08-06 18:21:59 UTC
Don't forget about the other force multipliers, E-war.
They need a serious buff, too, to make them feasible for small gangs or solo pvp.
At first I thought it was a bug when my Falcon needed to decloak before jamming, so I filed a bug report.
But they said everything was working as intended.
So CCP really expects us to decloak our Falcons and thus become vulnerable before it can even affect combat?

This is ruining solo pvp and just catering to the mindless blobs.
Eve is dying.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#28 - 2013-08-06 22:23:52 UTC
Posting in a stealth don't nerf OGB thread. Or not stealth - I don't even know anymore.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#29 - 2013-08-06 22:31:45 UTC
Dun'Gal wrote:
I don't even know anymore.


You really don't.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-08-06 22:45:48 UTC
What next ?

Smartbombing pods off grid, because they are smart bombs
and should be able to kill pods that aren't on grid ?
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#31 - 2013-08-06 22:51:15 UTC
God, what a stupid post.

The Tears Must Flow
Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-08-06 23:02:07 UTC
Holy crap, i need to stop flying logi RIGHT NOW, my FC never told me i could be killed so easy Roll pop your can and orbit it man, as long as you are not a "special crayon eating child" you should be fine
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2013-08-06 23:09:30 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
How about we give POSes engines and fly them around?

That would be amusing really. But they also need jump drives.

Shouldn't be too hard, Titans can jump and are supposedly way more massive than POSes.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#34 - 2013-08-06 23:48:00 UTC
I want to be able to lock people and shoot them off grid.

Off grid combat.

Then you can be repped by a logi who is off grid from you but also off grid from me.

We can both be boosted by people who are off grid from us and each other.

Maybe ill put a solar panel on my ship...and itll be off the grid.

ill change my ships name and erase its existence from all computer databases, ill keep it away from all cameras and law enforcement, and it can live off grid.

The only thing on grid, will be the grid. Unless there is grid-fu. Then even the grid wont be on grid.

What if theres a grid within a grid? Gridception.

What if we all realize the truth... there is no grid.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#35 - 2013-08-06 23:59:18 UTC
I'd consider that a little underwhelming - instead they just should make interdiction nullified cov ops cloaked logistics with a fully bonused expanded probe launcher repping from 20 AU with POS sized shields (soon™ to be even a mouseclick away) and the ability to be stronted - and make it really hard to probe it without a virtue set whilst you're at it.

Hmm - sounds stupid - but hey - :ccp: - they might add it if it wasn't already in the game whilst being afraid of power-creep in HACs - lol.

Dun'Gal wrote:
Posting in a stealth don't nerf OGB thread. Or not stealth - I don't even know anymore.



You really don't get it - feel free to apply to my corp.

You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
MacKael
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-08-07 00:02:30 UTC
Move all ships off grid, and give everyone 1000 random Km's everyday. Prob solved your welcome.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#37 - 2013-08-07 00:13:43 UTC
MacKael wrote:
Move all ships off grid, and give everyone 1000 random Km's everyday. Prob solved your welcome.



But you'd probably want your OG Booster/Logi not appear on KMs in order to show you're a cool kid and 'soloed' all that in your T1 cruiser - that would probably be detrimental to the top KB efficient 'soloers'.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#38 - 2013-08-07 00:33:26 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
I want to be able to lock people and shoot them off grid.

Off grid combat.

Then you can be repped by a logi who is off grid from you but also off grid from me.

We can both be boosted by people who are off grid from us and each other.

Maybe ill put a solar panel on my ship...and itll be off the grid.

ill change my ships name and erase its existence from all computer databases, ill keep it away from all cameras and law enforcement, and it can live off grid.

The only thing on grid, will be the grid. Unless there is grid-fu. Then even the grid wont be on grid.

What if theres a grid within a grid? Gridception.

What if we all realize the truth... there is no grid.

How meta. There is no grid.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-08-07 01:05:08 UTC
I think we need off-grid DPS.

As an elite solo PVPer I deserve off-grid DPS. How am I supposed to compete with blobs if I only have the dps of my ship on grid?

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Fairren
HellrisCorp
#40 - 2013-08-07 01:25:01 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
The recent buff to T1 logi has completely thrown off the delicate balance between small gangs/solo and blobs in Eve. What serious small gangs can engage is seriously limited now by the fact that remote reps are mandatory due to their prevalence.

As is stands right now (with logi being required to be on grid), blobs have a significant advantage becuase their expensive and vulnerable logi ships are safe in the swarm of bads surrounding them. As a small gang PvPer trying to engage a larger gang, you cannot afford this luxury, and are thus damned to not being able to use the huge force multiplier that remote rep gives, try as you might to use a fast repping ship that stays 70+ km away. Even there, it is far too vulnerable.

So, idea: move remote rep off grid. They already don't show up on killmails, so it's not as if the battle report changes -- it's still the same combatants. This way, small gangs and soloers can have the same force multipliers that blobs full of space-rich people can afford, narrowing the performance gap and thus buffing small gang PvP.

Other advantages:

  • Not required to be on grid = lower SP requirements. Not only does this buff small gang PvP, it is an improvement to the new player experience by enhancing a newbie role and making it more accessible.
  • More usefulness for the combat scanner role, in order to hunt down super-vulnerable RR ships.
  • More at-the-keyboard play, as the RR pilots will have to be constantly vigilant to watch for being caught.
  • Using RR ships inside a POS is a great buff to people who think ahead and are prepared for fights by having POSes set up. Reward infrastructure and forethought, CCP!
  • Ed: Another advantage! Since super vulnerable logi ships don't have to be on grid, all small gangs/solo PvPers can have logi! This bridges the performance gap with blobs, making for better balance and fairer gameplay.


Seriously, the current state of RR is unacceptable. Either find a way to make remote reps benefit all, or remove them from the game.

Edit: Hmm... I just realized a problem. RR is targeted and targeting is not a thing when you're off grid.

How about this? You can rep everyone in your squad/wing/fleet at the same time, but it's only by a little bit (15% or something). That's of course followed up by bonuses and skills, but it should be balanced, right?

Have you been playing sarcastaball lately?
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