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In regards to Cloaks and AFK-Cloaked Campers

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Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#81 - 2013-08-06 20:08:53 UTC
Mag's wrote:
[I've highlighted the issue you and your friends have.
No one cloaked and/or AFK ever stopped you using gates, modules, fitting ships, docking, undocking, forming fleets, ratting etc, etc. The one stopping you, is you.

Blaming CCP or someone not even at their PC, is rather disingenuous. It's simply you not playing the game..


Of course!

So I mine with a neutral space that is afk like ALL day for 1 month.
But then, it all went 10am, warp it come at me me open a Cyno and hot drop me.

Nope, this is just destroying the game, it's easy, free and do not need more than 1week of skills.

CCP Have To move speedly.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#82 - 2013-08-06 20:15:52 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
Mag's wrote:
[I've highlighted the issue you and your friends have.
No one cloaked and/or AFK ever stopped you using gates, modules, fitting ships, docking, undocking, forming fleets, ratting etc, etc. The one stopping you, is you.

Blaming CCP or someone not even at their PC, is rather disingenuous. It's simply you not playing the game..


Of course!

So I mine with a neutral space that is afk like ALL day for 1 month.
But then, it all went 10am, warp it come at me me open a Cyno and hot drop me.

Nope, this is just destroying the game, it's easy, free and do not need more than 1week of skills.

CCP Have To move speedly.
If you mined alone without taking precautions in an MMO game that is PvP centric, then you only have yourself to blame if you DIAF.

Bad players have been in this game since day one, CCP don't need to move anything for them. Either use the tools provided, or move back to high sec.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#83 - 2013-08-06 20:16:48 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
Mag's wrote:
[I've highlighted the issue you and your friends have.
No one cloaked and/or AFK ever stopped you using gates, modules, fitting ships, docking, undocking, forming fleets, ratting etc, etc. The one stopping you, is you.

Blaming CCP or someone not even at their PC, is rather disingenuous. It's simply you not playing the game..


Of course!

So I mine with a neutral space that is afk like ALL day for 1 month.
But then, it all went 10am, warp it come at me me open a Cyno and hot drop me.

Nope, this is just destroying the game, it's easy, free and do not need more than 1week of skills.

CCP Have To move speedly.

Someone had a cyno ready on a one week old character?

Not bad.

If they had used the real character, you could have known it was dangerous, because of all those skill points and kill board entries, obviously never undocking then.

Oh, wait, I think you have defined the reason they used a new character. Too obvious a threat on an older one.

How about this: You agree to not run to the POS or outpost when the older character shows up, and just fight them with whatever you happen to be flying at the time.

No??

AND you can avoid them with a proven reliable tactic?

Wow.

If I was a dev, I would reduce the rewards to match the risk you faced.... OH WAIT, they DID that already....
Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#84 - 2013-08-06 20:18:54 UTC
ahahahah.
Mining without precaution?

On my computer, checking all time what's happend and intel.

WHAT I CAN DO?
Call an Army for check me?

If the GhostCamper hot drop his mate, what i do? Call an Army my all farming time?
You're clearly guy who sell his afk time on ghost camping...


CCP just don't understand how it destroyed the game, and you troll this topic cause you know they will understand and nerf it... And you will lost money :)
Mag's
Azn Empire
#85 - 2013-08-06 20:24:11 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
ahahahah.
Mining without precaution?

On my computer, checking all time what's happend and intel.

WHAT I CAN DO?
Call an Army for check me?

If the GhostCamper hot drop his mate, what i do? Call an Army my all farming time?
You're clearly guy who sell his afk time on ghost camping...


CCP just don't understand how it destroyed the game, and you troll this topic cause you know they will understand and nerf it... And you will lost money :)
So you mine alone without protection? Sounds like not taking precautions to me.

I'm not clearly a guy that sells any time to anyone and because I don't agree with you, doesn't equate to me trolling. But thanks for the ridiculous attempt at attacking me, rather than addressing the points.

So far, you've not based your posts on anything but innuendo and baseless rhetoric.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#86 - 2013-08-06 20:25:44 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
ahahahah.
Mining without precaution?

On my computer, checking all time what's happend and intel.

WHAT I CAN DO?
Call an Army for check me?

If the GhostCamper hot drop his mate, what i do? Call an Army my all farming time?
You're clearly guy who sell his afk time on ghost camping...


CCP just don't understand how it destroyed the game, and you troll this topic cause you know they will understand and nerf it... And you will lost money :)

Here, use a fitting like this, and don't fear the reaper....

[Venture, WH from Forums 2]
Mining Laser Upgrade II

1MN Analog Booster Rockets
Survey Scanner II
Medium Shield Extender II

Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Drone Mining Augmentor I
Small Drone Mining Augmentor I


Mining Drone II x2
Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#87 - 2013-08-06 20:28:41 UTC
kk
Defending the indefensible by asking questions whose answer is obvious is not troll?
Not to mention your "Not taking precaution"
Now, go learn to mine, and stop trolling.

PS: Thx for making this post and topic on 'em up, It can help to attract the attention of CCP
Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2013-08-06 20:29:27 UTC
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Malissa Radort wrote:
ahahahah.
Mining without precaution?

On my computer, checking all time what's happend and intel.

WHAT I CAN DO?
Call an Army for check me?

If the GhostCamper hot drop his mate, what i do? Call an Army my all farming time?
You're clearly guy who sell his afk time on ghost camping...


CCP just don't understand how it destroyed the game, and you troll this topic cause you know they will understand and nerf it... And you will lost money :)

Here, use a fitting like this, and don't fear the reaper....

[Venture, WH from Forums 2]
Mining Laser Upgrade II

1MN Analog Booster Rockets
Survey Scanner II
Medium Shield Extender II

Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Drone Mining Augmentor I
Small Drone Mining Augmentor I


Mining Drone II x2


WoW Nice, You make more money than Empire?
Please, stop troll.
Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
#89 - 2013-08-06 20:35:45 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
Nikk Narrel wrote:
Here, use a fitting like this, and don't fear the reaper....

[Venture, WH from Forums 2]
Mining Laser Upgrade II

1MN Analog Booster Rockets
Survey Scanner II
Medium Shield Extender II

Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Small Drone Mining Augmentor I
Small Drone Mining Augmentor I


Mining Drone II x2


WoW Nice, You make more money than Empire?
Please, stop troll.

Dear me.

The analog booster rockets can be easily swapped out for cheaper, and the rest of the ship is not that much ISK.

You would spend more on a barge, let alone an exhumer, and have less ability to avoid hostiles.

Or, do you really believe you are entitled to min maxxed ships and fittings in the free for all PvP section of the game?
Mag's
Azn Empire
#90 - 2013-08-06 20:37:58 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
kk
Defending the indefensible by asking questions whose answer is obvious is not troll?
Not to mention your "Not taking precaution"
Now, go learn to mine, and stop trolling.

PS: Thx for making this post and topic on 'em up, It can help to attract the attention of CCP
So you can't defend your own stance and instead resort to calling me a troll?

Let me point out the obvious here. If you mine alone with a neutral in local chat, without forming a fleet and having said fleet join you in mining and protection, then you only have yourself to blame. It's not rocket science.

As far as bumping this thread is concerned, I'll let you in on a little secret. This isn't the first thread on the topic, it won't be the last and this thread much like others before, will auto lock at some point. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#91 - 2013-08-06 20:47:21 UTC
If you're not a troll, you're the biggest noob ever.

Go try to make a fleet against an AFK... You will wait 10 Hours, after he will hot drop you and you will lost... Your fleet AND your miners.
If you know, you're a troll using that, if you don't know, you're a big noob (like new player I mean, don't take it for you)
Mag's
Azn Empire
#92 - 2013-08-06 20:54:32 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
If you're not a troll, you're the biggest noob ever.

Go try to make a fleet against an AFK... You will wait 10 Hours, after he will hot drop you and you will lost... Your fleet AND your miners.
If you know, you're a troll using that, if you don't know, you're a big noob (like new player I mean, don't take it for you)
Ahh, gone from being a troll to being a n00b. [ice burn]

Oh and by the way, I was mining in fleets in null, before Alliances were even an official mechanic. This was back when Apocs were the mining kings FYI. But thanks for the laugh. Lol

If you wish to play solo in an MMO, then you accept the risks. If you log out your accounts, then that's your choice and problem. Not ours. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#93 - 2013-08-06 20:59:01 UTC
And your time this type of ghost camping (which can last for months) did not exist, so easy to say.
I said I was playing alone somewhere? And it would change what we are 40 or 2? The cyno when they will be open to hot drop.

I hope a Ghost camper will camp your systems (all) for months, it can open your eyes, and I hope you will try to "don't mine alone with a fleet"

ahah.
RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2013-08-06 21:02:23 UTC
C'mon Mag's, Nikk, stop being trolls and admit that AFK cloaky ships are the most dangerous thing in nullsec, and allow the poor nullbear miner his peace of mind to mine in peace...



or something.. :)

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#95 - 2013-08-06 21:03:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Malissa Radort wrote:
And your time this type of ghost camping (which can last for months) did not exist, so easy to say.
I said I was playing alone somewhere? And it would change what we are 40 or 2? The cyno when they will be open to hot drop.

I hope a Ghost camper will camp your systems (all) for months, it can open your eyes, and I hope you will try to "don't mine alone with a fleet"

ahah.
Wrong again. Cloaks were introduced in 2004 and the use of them in this fashion started soon after. I know because we had a fair few, but players back then had more about them it seems. They did increase as cynos and players increased, but that was to be expected.

You are more than welcome to camp our system 23.5 hours 7 days a week for as long as you wish, we will not stop playing because of it. But thanks for posting.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Mag's
Azn Empire
#96 - 2013-08-06 21:04:05 UTC
RoAnnon wrote:
C'mon Mag's, Nikk, stop being trolls and admit that AFK cloaky ships are the most dangerous thing in nullsec, and allow the poor nullbear miner his peace of mind to mine in peace...



or something.. :)
Thanks man, made me laugh. Lol

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#97 - 2013-08-06 21:16:20 UTC
Well, if I understand Mag's isn't for nerf of the cloack modules.
But he isn't for the ghost camping.

So, you should be for the auto log off ;)
Mag's
Azn Empire
#98 - 2013-08-06 21:18:31 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
Well, if I understand Mag's isn't for nerf of the cloack modules.
But he isn't for the ghost camping.

So, you should be for the auto log off ;)
I'm for the status quo. I like the addition of psychological warfare.

But you really should understand the mechanic being used here, before making any judgements on what should be looked at.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#99 - 2013-08-06 21:21:06 UTC
Why?
It's just 100% Blocking us, it's easy to place cost nothing and with 15 accoutns you can block a full region.
They exploit a mechanic, and i really think CCP don't think players will do that.

Why they do that? They can't owned miners by roamings or win battle, and they prefer disgust players of the game by killing their game 3/4/6 months or a year...
RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2013-08-06 21:31:34 UTC
The only way a single cloaked ship, sitting at a safe with the pilot AFK, can shut down operations in any system is if the residents of that system allow themselves to be so terrified of an unknown and uncertain threat that they never undock/unpos themselves. You have no way to know if he's AFK or not, or if the ship has a cyno or not. Any threat there exists solely in your mind, and as long as the pilot remains AFK and his ship remains cloaked he cannot follow through on any threat.

A threat that cannot be followed through on is no threat. A threat that is unknown and undefined is no threat. It's all a matter of perceived risk. YOU choose not to risk losing your shiny mining barge because that neut in local MIGHT be paying attention, and he MIGHT have a cyno. The only way the threat can be actualized is when the ship uncloaks on grid with you... at which point he is NO LONGER AFK OR CLOAKED.

There's no threat while he IS AFK or cloaked, and by the time you actually see danger, he's neither AFK nor cloaked.

You're aiming your posts at the wrong problem.

So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter.

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