Ships & Modules

Like i mentioned previously i think the entire design of the BC for Caldari and Gallente is wrong. The BC have been designed totally towards Minmatar racial ethos and play style.

The Fast, Low HP, Low Sig Radius, high Damage <= Minmatar ethos

Lore wise i can believe they built the tier 3 BCs first. But I seriously believe the other races would of make different trade offs. Especially since these current trade offs play well for the Tornado, but not the Talos or Naga.

While Minmatar might see this as a sniping or skirmisher weapon, at the fringes of battle killing enemies with reach and harasing slower ships. i think Caldari/Gallente would see this more as an attrition weapon, designed to lead the charge/breach being the tip of the spear.


Gallente: They basters require, toughness for knife fights, damage to kill the opponent and speed to get there. Since they are fully committed at that point, in range of everything you either win or die. Following this logic you would not sacrifice HP for Damage/speed, but cargo space and endurance.

-No Drone Bay
-No Cargo Bay
+Lots more armor and HP
+Guns store 2x ammunition.

One of the Tier 3 BC requirements was it not be used to target smaller ships effectively. I think in this case, by limiting the ammo to almost critical levels you can't afford to be shooting things smaller than you especially once they start getting inside your gun range.

Fast, hard hitting ships are the current PvP paradigm. Your suggestion would ensure that pretty much everyone would cross train for the Tornado (even more so than they're already doing) and ignore the rest. Furthermore, since the entire point of these BC's is to have higher DPS via the oversized weapons gimmick, anything desiged with more tank in mind would either make them overpowered or sacrifice the benefits of that gimmick - BS level dps.

It's not that I wouldn't like some more differentiated BC's in terms of engagement style, but CCP was a bit pigeonholed in terms of ship design as soon as they figured that giving the new BC's BS weapons would be OMG coolest thing evah.

RP reason: The Empires have developed these new BC's to fit what they see as the missing link in their battlecruiser lineups - a fast, hard hitting vessel to provide the DPS to take down larger targets while supported by smaller ships. (Or something. It's a game so I really just care about the balance.)

My reference was more as a starting point for changing the Talos than doing anything to the tornado. I was thinking why the tornado looks like the best Tier 3, its because the entire mimater weapon system and bonuses fit well with the T3 design. While Gallente and blasters do not.



I'm not trying to buff Minmattar, I'm just stating based of ship bonuses what ethos they seem to have. Why do Caldari have bonuses to optimal? Is that because they believe in long range fighting? Why does Minmatar get 2x weapon bonuses on ships, faster ships? Why does Gallente get more drone bonuses and bigger drone bays?

My goal here was to make Caldari and Gallente ships better as Tier 3 Battlecruisers, while trying to keep the developers notion of a BC3. I must of horribly failed.



I'm not trying to change the Tornado or Oracle. Given the current Tornado and Oracle that were designed given the Minmatar Ethos, how can i make the Talos and Naga work as BC3 while not trying to out "Tornado" the "Tornado".


Minmatar BS level DPS, Cruiser level tank and speed (as its currently designed as the tornado and Oracle)

Gallente BS level DPS (for a few minutes) , Battlecruiser level tank and cruiser speed ( a redesign of the Talos)
How would limit DPS? You get BS level guns. But no Cargo Space, no reloads. You can only shoot whats loaded in your guns. You can't just shoot at targets willy nilly eventually you will run out of bullets. (This is not an acceptable for lasers and since the Oracle is getting positive review its design should unchanged)

Oh look it's that spamtroll again that preaches nerfing.