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Why is CCP tring to Kill the industrial side of EVE ?
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Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-08-06 20:15:51 UTC
From what I have seen from the last few patches, and what I hear is coming from the next round of patching it sure looks like CCP has decided to put a target on the miners and their boosters.

First CCP made it worthless to upgrade a system for hidden belts by making hidden belts just another anomoly that anyone can just warp on in to. What was the point of that? I know CCP wants to encourage PVP, but the only thing that I can see that this change is made Mining in Null Sec 100 times more dangerous because now they don't even have to scan it down anymore. At lease before they had to push a scanning ship through and scan the sites down to get at the miners in them.

Now I hear CCP is taking aim at the boosters, now your going to force the boosting ships outside of the shields to boost. I suppose in the next patch you will have some new feature that allows PVPers to just warp to anyone in the system and kill miners at will?

My point here is Simple, Why dose CCP seem to want to put a target on the null sec miners?
Jack Chapman
I'm in Space
#2 - 2013-08-06 20:25:26 UTC
miners pos up anway as soon as someone shows up, turning belts into anomalies actually made it easier for miners.

and you should read the link changes again...
Lucine Delacourt
The Covenant of Blood
#3 - 2013-08-06 20:28:01 UTC
Complaining about the boosting changes being part of a larger "anti-mining" plan by CCP detracts from your semi-legitimate gripe about Hidden Belts.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2013-08-06 20:45:43 UTC
i have two mining alts, one of which is dedicated to bossting both rorqual and orca. I hope they get these ships out of the POS because POS boosting is just no fun and for 4bil pricetag all i got was a glorified POS module. i want to see more usability for both of them. they were originally intended for "deep-space" operations but nobody will even risk taking them out a a system with a station or at least a fully defended POS.

and to soothe your fuming heart think of it this way; they are going to make changes to both of those ships to make them more usable and survivable outside of the POS, and possibly in the belts.

It's time to take this 7 year old out of the POS cradle and toss him in the sandbox to play with the other kids.
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#5 - 2013-08-06 20:49:01 UTC
It's only aimed at the rorqual really

The idea is to increase industrial risk so that we can see greater returns in profit... That and killing ninja mining ops...
supernova ranger
The End of Eternity
#6 - 2013-08-06 20:50:38 UTC
Rowells wrote:
i have two mining alts, one of which is dedicated to bossting both rorqual and orca. I hope they get these ships out of the POS because POS boosting is just no fun and for 4bil pricetag all i got was a glorified POS module. i want to see more usability for both of them. they were originally intended for "deep-space" operations but nobody will even risk taking them out a a system with a station or at least a fully defended POS.

and to soothe your fuming heart think of it this way; they are going to make changes to both of those ships to make them more usable and survivable outside of the POS, and possibly in the belts.

It's time to take this 7 year old out of the POS cradle and toss him in the sandbox to play with the other kids.


They'll break the game if they make the roqual anywhere near as invulnerable as being in a POS
TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#7 - 2013-08-06 20:53:27 UTC
Mining Links get buffed and still can be activated inside a pos. Totally Anti-Mining behaviour from CCP there.

I suggest you learn to read.

My Condor costs less than that module!
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-08-06 20:56:19 UTC
supernova ranger wrote:
Rowells wrote:
i have two mining alts, one of which is dedicated to bossting both rorqual and orca. I hope they get these ships out of the POS because POS boosting is just no fun and for 4bil pricetag all i got was a glorified POS module. i want to see more usability for both of them. they were originally intended for "deep-space" operations but nobody will even risk taking them out a a system with a station or at least a fully defended POS.

and to soothe your fuming heart think of it this way; they are going to make changes to both of those ships to make them more usable and survivable outside of the POS, and possibly in the belts.

It's time to take this 7 year old out of the POS cradle and toss him in the sandbox to play with the other kids.


They'll break the game if they make the roqual anywhere near as invulnerable as being in a POS

Honestly, i dont like those POS bubble ideas. thats just bringing the cradle with you. what it needs is some strength and the ability to project its offenses/defenses onto friend and foe alike.

Personally i hope it could take on the role of "PVP escort" that never seems to happen
Marcus Harikari
#9 - 2013-08-06 20:56:35 UTC
all boosting should only be done from on-grid. how is it feasible that someone can "boost" a fleet from all the way across the solar system? BOLLOCKS!!!
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-08-06 20:59:41 UTC
Marcus Harikari wrote:
all boosting should only be done from on-grid. how is it feasible that someone can "boost" a fleet from all the way across the solar system? BOLLOCKS!!!

yeah, only problem comes in the form of silicon limitations and code monkey employment. as far as i understand it. but i agree with you
Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-08-06 21:02:56 UTC
CCP don't care about Industrials.
See they don't do something against Ghostcampers.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#12 - 2013-08-06 21:05:52 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
CCP don't care about Industrials.
See they don't do something against Ghostcampers.
Linkage for you.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Lick Doo
SKots INdusTries
#13 - 2013-08-06 21:08:10 UTC
As the changes stand now they are good changes.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-08-06 21:09:58 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
CCP don't care about Industrials.
See they don't do something against Ghostcampers.

somebody just had to bring it up, didnt they?
Erutpar Ambient
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-08-06 21:19:21 UTC
Rowells wrote:
supernova ranger wrote:
Rowells wrote:
i have two mining alts, one of which is dedicated to bossting both rorqual and orca. I hope they get these ships out of the POS because POS boosting is just no fun and for 4bil pricetag all i got was a glorified POS module. i want to see more usability for both of them. they were originally intended for "deep-space" operations but nobody will even risk taking them out a a system with a station or at least a fully defended POS.

and to soothe your fuming heart think of it this way; they are going to make changes to both of those ships to make them more usable and survivable outside of the POS, and possibly in the belts.

It's time to take this 7 year old out of the POS cradle and toss him in the sandbox to play with the other kids.


They'll break the game if they make the roqual anywhere near as invulnerable as being in a POS

Honestly, i dont like those POS bubble ideas. thats just bringing the cradle with you. what it needs is some strength and the ability to project its offenses/defenses onto friend and foe alike.

Personally i hope it could take on the role of "PVP escort" that never seems to happen

Yeah, let's just put this multi-bil isk """""PVP"""" ship out in an asteroid belt,put it in siege mode for buffs and probably nobody will come hot drop it. Great idea guys.

"Duhhh let's give it 10mil EHP" ok maybe it won't get dopped by 100 dreads/supers/titans.

Lots of mechanics have to change before this becomes viable.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-08-06 21:58:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Rowells
Erutpar Ambient wrote:
Yeah, let's just put this multi-bil isk """""PVP"""" ship out in an asteroid belt,put it in siege mode for buffs and probably nobody will come hot drop it. Great idea guys.

"Duhhh let's give it 10mil EHP" ok maybe it won't get dopped by 100 dreads/supers/titans.

Lots of mechanics have to change before this becomes viable.

How about resist profile similar to the T2 mining barges (4% per lvl), scrap the indy core completely (this is the biggest killer), immunity to ewar (like supers). Problems solved. Next please

e: forgot about 4% resist changes. fixed
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#17 - 2013-08-06 22:09:17 UTC
Well, they succeeded in killing the exploration side of eve, so why not?

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-08-06 23:09:46 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Well, they succeeded in killing the exploration side of eve, so why not?
I'm sorry for your loss. You have my condolences.
Gel Musana
LOL a Sticky Situation
#19 - 2013-08-07 01:50:04 UTC
Forcing on grid boosting is stupid. The booster is going to get killed on the spot unless you have a proper support fleet, so it becomes unusable for small groups and nobody will bother using boosting any more. I trained my alt for almost a year for boosting and now no use. Thank you very much. I think this is pure non-sense.

If there is a need to keep these ships outside a POS fine, then the price must come down big time. I will never spend 4b in a defenceless ship. Best think would be a major re-haul of industrial ships to make them hybrid PVP. Give a big tank, lots of guns and combat drones to industrials.

More risk = more ships blow up = more isk required = more plexes purchased = greed.

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#20 - 2013-08-07 02:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Marcus Harikari wrote:
all boosting should only be done from on-grid. how is it feasible that someone can "boost" a fleet from all the way across the solar system? BOLLOCKS!!!


By streaming the telemetry/sensor data from ships, especially multiple ships and using advanced computing hardware on the command ship you can return optimised results to the ships in fleet for an increase in their operating efficiency, makes perfect sense, what doesn't make sense is that a ship can perform this role and be hard to scan down as streaming that much data would light it up like a christmas tree.

Forcing on grid boosting actually makes no sense at all from a technical perspective.
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