Ships & Modules

Machariel have single function in inc's alpha.

NM is used for high tracking tachyon platform.

Drones are useless due to fleet movement(sentry) and travel times(heavy's).

So that part of your ship will only be used when shooting tower.

Also what pulse geddon cant is shoot things @ 100km+

the only place you really need 100km+ range is in NRF and a few MWD pulses get a 70km range ship in range pretty fast.

They are yes, but a fleet full of Vindis would be less effective than a fleet of long range ships. Vindis are good to have, but not too many of them.

I think you're missing my point here.

7 turrets, 0.75 cycle time: 7/.75 = 9.333 effective turrets

8 turrets 1.25 damage modifier: 10 effective turrets.

3 vs 5 sentries... (if you use them)

However... 4 vs 7 mids

For an HQ, you need a MWD, and an invuln. That leaves just two slots for TCs and Sebos.
Given its weaker shield, you may want an LSE as well.

Keep in mind: TEs don't give the same range bonus that TCs do, and the tracking bonus is far less, and a NM basically has a free faction speed scripted TC with no stacking penalty.
A sig amp also don't boost sig res nearly as much as a Sebo...
3 speed scripted TCs on a NM give it awesome tracking.

Also, scorch is equivalent in DPS to IN X ray... while a tachmare pretty much always can be using IN multi or gleam

The applied gun DPS of the tachmare is higher.

The recent buff to it does make it a decent ship though. It shouldn't be too long before the Pirate BSs get rebalanced, and most are expecting buffs to everything except the mach.

Sentries are generally too situational to be used well in Incursions. You're on the move so much of the time, and loosing your sentries is going to be a huge blow on your damage.

Also having few mid slots gives you a low tank and few utility mods like Tracking Computers etc. Having ships with fleet-wide utility options like webs, TPs etc help out a lot for everyone, and applied damage is what matters.

While armor is fully doable they will always lack the damage potential from shield fits because they need to use lows for tank as well.

I think someone is mad that their navy geddon got turned down for a shiny fleet...

I do think a Navy Geddon is a decent ship, but the 8 vs 5 lows argument isn't valid for a shield fleet.

The mid slots are worth more than the low slots.
The NM has sufficient lows for 4 heat sinks and a damage control. Beyond that, a TC outperforms a TE, and a SeBo outperforms a Sigamp.

Why do you even speak of conflag? its only useful for tower bashes...
If its a TPPH your doing, you won't be launching sentries.
NRF - won't use conflag
TCRC... I suppose you might use conflag and sentries after arriving at the tower.

Fitting a cap power relay just wastes a slot, and the NM has sufficient cap stability, I run no elutriation rigs, and can get by even without a cap buddy or a NOS (lets not forget those utility highs).
I suspect you'd be better off sticking a drone damage mod there if you are going to be using sentries.

The Navy Geddon is pretty good, but I don't think its better than the NM for applying DPS in a shield fleet.

You don't fit TCs on a Nightmare for better tracking, you fit them for range.

Good luck hitting all those sniper targets at 130km range.... TCs on the nightmare are mostly loaded with range script so why you're talking about tracking I have no idea. Also good luck using sentries outside your drone control range...

Final pocket yes... then what about the other pockets? They don't count anymore? Even if you say "I just burn to the gate and drop sentries" you loose out on a lot of time before you are able to drop down those sentries and use them. By that time nearly all enemies should be eliminated already.



You don't really get why fleets have dps AND snipers do you? If having only dps was the most efficient way to do Incursions we would see fleets running with only dps. With over a year of experience with Incursions I think the communities knows what works and not. Why you bring in a Moros to this is beyond me. Please tell me when you last saw one doing Incursions. With Conflag and Garde II's the Navy Geddon deals a couple hundred more dps at the same range as beams do, but that range is only good for tower bashing.

With pulses and 2 tracking enhancers with scorch you can hit 95% targets in ALL HQ sites without even using the MWD. I do not know where you get 130km from but the farthest spawn is in NRF about 110km from close range dps. A 70km ship burn inside that range fairly quick. .....Sentries are for close range dps, doh.

The two first pockets in TPPH is trivial, most of the sansha ships are down before the fleet reach the gates. And even there i often use sentries successfully.

Ships in EVE change and pirate ships are not always the best solution for everything. Pure snipers are normaly useless on anything beside PVP. I used the Moros example to illustrate the vast increase in DPS you would get from replacing "snipers" With something that increase the fleet overall performance.
You are very wrong that conflag and sentries are only good for tower bashing. If you seriously think that then you are also saying that Vindis are only good for tower bashing since their range with close range ammo is about half of a pulse navy geddon with conflag and gardes.
Sniper NMs and Machs push 1k dps TOPS with turrets i dare say at least 90% of them have even less because of lack of skills/implants. And their drone dps is almost non existant compared to a ship with 5 gardes sitting up close to the Sansha battleships.

I allready explained this, why do you ignore what i said and lie about a NM having 200 dps less than a pulse navy geddon? I would like to see the beam NM you describe with 1300 dps.