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Multiboxing softwares ruining pvp

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Dave stark
#221 - 2013-08-05 20:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
TKL HUN wrote:
I can tell you PVP examples if you want:

- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump)
- suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many
- 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals

etc etc


i fail to see which of these scenarios is ruined by multiboxing software.
nor have you provided proof that any of these encounters contained multiboxers.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#222 - 2013-08-05 20:20:34 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
I can tell you PVP examples if you want:

- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump)
- suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many
- 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals

etc etc


So by your logic, any gang that consists of mostly the same ship is multiboxing? Your jump freighter gets blapped in lowsec, obviously someone using ISboxer. Orca killed by a dozen Catalysts, obviously someone using ISboxer. Ratting carrier killed by a bunch of Tempests, well, it's obviously one guy that is using ISboxer. Eight fleets of CFC Mega's is clearly just 8 guys running a hundred accounts each with ISboxer. Yep you heard it right, we beat Test with 15 people using ISboxer according to the OP's logic.

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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#223 - 2013-08-05 20:40:38 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I can tell you PVP examples if you want:

- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump)
- suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many
- 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals

etc etc


So by your logic, any gang that consists of mostly the same ship is multiboxing? Your jump freighter gets blapped in lowsec, obviously someone using ISboxer. Orca killed by a dozen Catalysts, obviously someone using ISboxer. Ratting carrier killed by a bunch of Tempests, well, it's obviously one guy that is using ISboxer. Eight fleets of CFC Mega's is clearly just 8 guys running a hundred accounts each with ISboxer. Yep you heard it right, we beat Test with 15 people using ISboxer according to the OP's logic.


These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.
Dave stark
#224 - 2013-08-05 20:44:59 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
These examples have nothing to do with logic.


and that's why nobody is taking you seriously.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#225 - 2013-08-05 20:46:43 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I can tell you PVP examples if you want:

- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump)
- suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many
- 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals

etc etc


So by your logic, any gang that consists of mostly the same ship is multiboxing? Your jump freighter gets blapped in lowsec, obviously someone using ISboxer. Orca killed by a dozen Catalysts, obviously someone using ISboxer. Ratting carrier killed by a bunch of Tempests, well, it's obviously one guy that is using ISboxer. Eight fleets of CFC Mega's is clearly just 8 guys running a hundred accounts each with ISboxer. Yep you heard it right, we beat Test with 15 people using ISboxer according to the OP's logic.


These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.


The gig is up everyone. This guy knows that your fleets are really just 1 person running the entire fleet with ISboxer.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#226 - 2013-08-05 20:52:01 UTC
Quote:
These examples have nothing to do with logic,


Almost nothing in this thread does.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#227 - 2013-08-05 20:54:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Quote:

He can't control a 20 man gang without a multiboxing software, so he is paying for one, which can control a 20 man gang for him. If hes paying for 5 accounts, let it be. But that is still an in-game advance. A 3rd party software is not.


I'm absolutely positive I can control a 20 man gang that uses drones set to assist to gank easily. Thanks for playing.

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are serious business sir.

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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#228 - 2013-08-05 21:21:24 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I fully understand what human control is.


that doesn't come across in your posts.


Human control is, when a human controls all hes accounts, in this case, this is not true.


He does control all his accounts. He just uses less buttons to guide them.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#229 - 2013-08-05 21:30:15 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:

These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.


How does he know? One word.

Magic

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#230 - 2013-08-05 22:04:57 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:

These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.


How does he know? One word.

Magic

Magic like logic or magic like harry potter and ****?

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are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#231 - 2013-08-05 22:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Cipher Jones wrote:
Arduemont wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:

These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.


How does he know? One word.

Magic

Magic like logic or magic like harry potter and ****?



Magic like finding out where you live & peeking through your window at night.

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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#232 - 2013-08-06 00:36:26 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
...
Quote:
But yeah, multi-account b.s. does degrade the quality of Eve.


Would love to see the cost of your ship, ammo, plex, modules, and minerals if they nixed every industry alt.



Having alts log on one at a time to do specialized errands is one thing. Logging on an army of accounts and using a software to control them in battle is botting. I don't see how you can justify it, you click one or two buttons, and the software does all of the rest - on its own. Botting.

In pure botting, you're AFK, but even if you're not AFK, and have to monitor the situation, that's all you're doing. Monitoring and supervising. Your bots are doing the heavy lifting.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2013-08-06 00:39:47 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I can tell you PVP examples if you want:

- ~20 man tornado gang camping station with a loki (web) and a machariel (bump)
- suicide ganking catalyst gang don't know the exact numbers but there were many
- 20-30 man tempest gang killing capitals

etc etc


So by your logic, any gang that consists of mostly the same ship is multiboxing? Your jump freighter gets blapped in lowsec, obviously someone using ISboxer. Orca killed by a dozen Catalysts, obviously someone using ISboxer. Ratting carrier killed by a bunch of Tempests, well, it's obviously one guy that is using ISboxer. Eight fleets of CFC Mega's is clearly just 8 guys running a hundred accounts each with ISboxer. Yep you heard it right, we beat Test with 15 people using ISboxer according to the OP's logic.


These examples have nothing to do with logic, I know there was a multiboxing software used in these cases, that's all.


I knew Santa Claus played EVE, do you know when we are sleeping?

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#234 - 2013-08-06 00:42:06 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
...
Quote:
But yeah, multi-account b.s. does degrade the quality of Eve.


Would love to see the cost of your ship, ammo, plex, modules, and minerals if they nixed every industry alt.



Having alts log on one at a time to do specialized errands is one thing. Logging on an army of accounts and using a software to control them in battle is botting. I don't see how you can justify it, you click one or two buttons, and the software does all of the rest - on its own. Botting.

In pure botting, you're AFK, but even if you're not AFK, and have to monitor the situation, that's all you're doing. Monitoring and supervising. Your bots are doing the heavy lifting.


Logging into an army of accounts and NOT running software is how many industrialists and traders do it.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#235 - 2013-08-06 00:45:45 UTC
The OP is correct of course. Goonswarm is just mittens, dbrb, suas and a handful of other FC's running hundreds of accounts so they can RMT the isk or something. I'm not really a person, I'm just the imaginary persona that exists in the mind of one said FC & my sole imaginary purpose is to grind moons so someone doesn't have to work for a living.

TEST lost Fountain because they obviously don't use multiboxing software. I mean, how could 12000 members possibly stand up to the might of 20 absolutely perfect people that use ISboxer?

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Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#236 - 2013-08-06 01:12:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
Roime wrote:
Spankijs Omaristos wrote:
...
...

He is not asking to alter/change the game in any way, the topic is about a 3rd party program that enables gameplay not accessible without it.




Yes, and his PC is too crappy to run more than 2 accounts, so he cant use that ISboxer software, so he feels that everyone must be limited just to 2-4 accounts controllable without any 3rd party software..


There! You said it, exactly
Quote:
3rd party software


If you need software to control multiple accounts, then you are using a tool that gives you an edge others do not have.

If it was a built in feature of EVE Online, available to all players and it could be used for alts and not just toons from additional accounts, then it would be something available and usable by all, from the start. However, in this case, you MUST use 3rd party software to achieve what otherwise cannot be done without it - perfect control over a fleet.

Perfect control of a fleet cannot be achieved without the 3rd party software, and it cannot be achieved with a fleet of individual players. Perfect control can only be achieved with the 3rd party software, and that is the problem.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#237 - 2013-08-06 01:17:55 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
However, in this case, you MUST use 3rd party software to achieve what otherwise cannot be done without it - perfect control over a fleet.

Perfect control of a fleet cannot be achieved without the 3rd party software, and it cannot be achieved with a fleet of individual players. Perfect control can only be achieved with the 3rd party software, and that is the problem.


Perfect control over a fleet can't even be achieved with said 3rd party software. You people have such outlandish ideas on what this software is actually capable of.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#238 - 2013-08-06 02:07:10 UTC
top-end multiboxing software convincingly simulates fleet members bumping the titan by mistake and jumping through the gate at the worst possible moment
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#239 - 2013-08-06 02:11:21 UTC
Quote:
If you need software to control multiple accounts, then you are using a tool that gives you an edge others do not have.


Absolutely incorrect. 3rd party software is 100% required to run Eve online in any way shape or form. It is not directly compatible with hardware. You need 3rd party software to control any amount of accounts.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#240 - 2013-08-06 03:05:40 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
However, in this case, you MUST use 3rd party software to achieve what otherwise cannot be done without it - perfect control over a fleet.

Perfect control of a fleet cannot be achieved without the 3rd party software, and it cannot be achieved with a fleet of individual players. Perfect control can only be achieved with the 3rd party software, and that is the problem.

Perfect control over a fleet can't even be achieved with said 3rd party software. You people have such outlandish ideas on what this software is actually capable of.

It helps when trying to argue against an established official stance on it

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