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Blasters/Autocannons are broken in FW
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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#21 - 2013-08-05 19:39:08 UTC
For him everything in eve will be forever broken.

Sorry that you can't spend 3 weeks power leveling than lfr grinding to be uber.




edit: snipe
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#22 - 2013-08-05 20:19:06 UTC
I was going to give a response to this, but your stubbornness and negativity has depressed me past a point of thought.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-08-05 20:22:08 UTC
ok I got in a state about this and now that I've won a fight (once again against a new player) I'm feeling a lot better.

Now all I need is EVE kill to recognise it to show you lot. I think I've upset EVE kill and its not recording my kills.
Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-08-05 20:25:48 UTC
You'll make more plexing than running level 4's in an underskilled raven.

A lot more.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#25 - 2013-08-05 20:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
2/10 for eliciting responses out of what is an obvious troll.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Drax Concrilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2013-08-05 20:29:17 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that

In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.

90% of my loses have been because of blasters.

And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue.


Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Twisted Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor.


one problem

I trained for missiles and don't have access to tech 2 weapons so I'm stuffed.

And I can't train for them because tech 2 light missile take 10 days and I'm trying to get my skills up to run my Raven battleship so I run level 4 missions so I can get the ISK to afford PvP

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=265535



Why have you not trained up T2 LMLs/Rockets yet? That rocket thread is at least a week old - so you should have one of them to t2 by now. Why are you training for a Raven to "make isk for PvP" when you could be making boatloads in FW orbiting a button?

You don't make sense.

Also, in regards to your (paraphrased) reply, "Why would they come into my plex when they can see me?" Why did you go into their plex when you could see them? That's the same reason they would come into your plex when they see you.

If I remember right you're using a freakin' LML Condor so you shouldn't need to whine so much - here's the formula for victory:
1) Enter plex
2) Sit at optimal range from the BEACON (not the button) and inside of button range
3) No one comes? Sit and reap free LP

OR

3) Someone comes in - hit orbit at optimal, probably 20km
4) Point them, kite to death - run away if things go sour.

Ta da!
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#27 - 2013-08-05 20:33:45 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Dread Operative wrote:
Complaints and excuses, this thread is full of them. Just because someone beat you with something doesn't mean it's OP. A saying I like is, "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." - Scissors

I love fighting blaster boats, nuets and TD's destroy blaster boats.


your corp has blown me up a couple of times

And I don't like it when I'm blown to its in 10 seconds.

I'm sure I could like pvp in this game if it was slower and I had more health. But I can't risk battlecruisers so I have to stick to these bad frigates.


As was said, frigates are not bad. You yourself are not bad. Your tactics and reasoning is bad. We have more health available to us -- Cruisers. Battlecruisers. Battleships. If you want a slow fight, get into one of those. Frigates are fast and paper thin sometimes. That's part of the thrill of frigate combat. Get in, and a fight can last 30 seconds (that's an eternity for a frig fight) or 3 seconds. If you can't afford it right now, I suggest passive income like PI or trading. Sure, it's not fighting, but you stated earlier you're not primarily interested in PvP. Nothing in EVE is instant. Accept this or play FFXI. The PvP there is amazingly slow.

And yes, I like the rock, paper, scissors quote.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#28 - 2013-08-05 21:27:40 UTC
I'm feeling really nice after leroying my squad into lots of silly fights last night and getting them kill so here ia a freeby for you caldari pilots that are getting owned by the fail gallente who dumbly fit blasters to there incursus'

[Condor, Brawler]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Ballistic Control System II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Bay Loading Accelerator I

Tactics is simple vs blaster (AB, scram, web) incursus. Scram them, web them and 'orbit' at 5kms. You are faster than them, your speed will put your orbit out to about 6kms giving you an extra 300m on your neut range etc. At 6km you do more damage than them and in about 40s they are capped out, can't shoot, can't rep and you melt them. If you want you can swap the BCU for a DCU if you feel the need for more tank rather than dps.

This ship can easily murder SAR incursus, dual rep incursus, blaster enyo, blaster harpy etc. L2Caldari! Twisted

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#29 - 2013-08-05 22:15:21 UTC
Caldari ships are at a disadvantage? Whut?

Some of the best small scale pvp ships in the game are caldari..

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#30 - 2013-08-05 22:52:20 UTC
i do not mind if blaster boat camps at landing point, it is easy prey for caldari op ships.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-08-06 00:32:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Cage Man
If only you could minimize their damage.. like maybe a mod that affects tracking or optimal's.. or something to slow down their targeting speed so you can increase the range a little before you get tackled those, would be some pretty cool mods.. Blink

Also nothing wrong with a blaster merlin..
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#32 - 2013-08-06 02:23:39 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Blasters/Autocannons are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that

In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.

90% of my loses have been because of blasters.

And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue.


yeah well for years its been kite or go home . so everybody i know is happy with the changes making brawling the amarr favorite the way forward. deal with it

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-08-06 05:09:31 UTC
I'm still surprised at the amount of people who don't know that an overheated MWD can usually take you from the beacon out to 10km faster than most frigates can lock in most cases.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#34 - 2013-08-06 05:40:19 UTC
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
I'm still surprised at the amount of people who don't know that an overheated MWD can usually take you from the beacon out to 10km faster than most frigates can lock in most cases.


Even with a lot of practice, doing this is a big gamble. Depends on what side of the beacon and how close to the beacon they are on when you land.
You really have to hope they don't have a sebo.

A few times they have grabbed me with scram and web but momentum just lets me drift out of it's range and allows me to get the MWD back on.


Takes a while to get the hang of it.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-08-06 05:59:27 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
I'm still surprised at the amount of people who don't know that an overheated MWD can usually take you from the beacon out to 10km faster than most frigates can lock in most cases.


Even with a lot of practice, doing this is a big gamble. Depends on what side of the beacon and how close to the beacon they are on when you land.
You really have to hope they don't have a sebo.

A few times they have grabbed me with scram and web but momentum just lets me drift out of it's range and allows me to get the MWD back on.


Takes a while to get the hang of it.



Yeah it's not 100 percent, but I think a competent kiter in something like a slicer or nano condor should be able to pull it off more often than not.

Might be different out in caldari/gallente space, but kiting is alive and well out in min/Amarr fw
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#36 - 2013-08-06 06:38:45 UTC
Why do u need to run missions if ur în fw? I mean common.. if ur smart u can make double the isk/h în fw then missioning .. its just aş simple aş that

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front - Reborn
#37 - 2013-08-06 07:27:37 UTC
I serious dont see problem.

AC and Blaster pilots should complain about the nano missile boats sitting 20 of the entrance inside a plex just to kite incomming and blow them to pices with missiles....


Where are the different?

Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-08-06 07:30:19 UTC
Starbuck05 wrote:
Why do u need to run missions if ur în fw? I mean common.. if ur smart u can make double the isk/h în fw then missioning .. its just aş simple aş that


I'm not in FW, my corp isn't doing that yet. I'm just using FW space to get fights
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-08-06 08:37:23 UTC
Hey look, it's this guy again.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-08-06 09:38:29 UTC
The whole nature of FW complexes is that if you're warping in to take someone else on, he's got the tactical defender's advantage. Sometimes the winning move in a fight is to simply refuse to engage the defender on his chosen ground. That, or bring a friend - get the guy you're engaging to concentrate on you, to commit to the fight, while your friend comes up from behind and whomps the guy while he's focused on you.

Sometimes it just boils down to choosing which fights you're going to engage in.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt