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Blasters/Autocannons are broken in FW
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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-08-05 16:50:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Blasters/Autocannons are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that

In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.

90% of my loses have been because of blasters.

And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue.
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#2 - 2013-08-05 16:57:56 UTC
Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside? Shocked

Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ?

Pick your fights better mate.
neo smith
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-08-05 17:00:58 UTC
#1 dont warp into a plex(in a brawler) that has a kiter in it. unless you have a mwd web/scram

#2 the other pilot has to warp to the same beacon also. you could get into plex first and then he has to warp into your range web/scram also needed

#3 ?

#4 profit


90% off your losses are not down to blasters. its your tactics





Neo
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-08-05 17:03:06 UTC
Salicaz wrote:
Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside? Shocked

Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ?

Pick your fights better mate.


Everyone in the Gallente/Caldari FW zones (and the only good FW zone) appear to be Gallente Blaster fliers. What am I supposed to do?
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#5 - 2013-08-05 17:05:22 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside? Shocked

Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ?

Pick your fights better mate.


Everyone in the Gallente/Caldari FW zones (and the only good FW zone) appear to be Gallente Blaster fliers. What am I supposed to do?


Warp to another plex and set up like they have at your opitmal and kite brawlers coming in.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-08-05 17:07:51 UTC
Salicaz wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside? Shocked

Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ?

Pick your fights better mate.


Everyone in the Gallente/Caldari FW zones (and the only good FW zone) appear to be Gallente Blaster fliers. What am I supposed to do?


Warp to another plex and set up like they have at your opitmal and kite brawlers coming in.


I don't want to wait around doing nothing.

Anyway why should they come into my plex if they can see me?
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#7 - 2013-08-05 17:09:12 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Salicaz wrote:
Or you could just not warp into a plex if a blaster boat is inside? Shocked

Warp to another place and set up at your optimal, or would kiting set ups be "broken in FW" because you're "forced to warp in at their optimal" ?

Pick your fights better mate.


Everyone in the Gallente/Caldari FW zones (and the only good FW zone) appear to be Gallente Blaster fliers. What am I supposed to do?


Warp to another plex and set up like they have at your opitmal and kite brawlers coming in.


I don't want to wait around doing nothing.

Anyway why should they come into my plex if they can see me?



Because people do. 90% of your loses you said. :)
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-05 17:11:58 UTC
It seems like you learned nothing from the rockets thread. I will help you again Sad

As a Caldari pilot I can't seem to ever win a fight against blaster boats. In FW they are able to camp the warp-in, leaving me with no chance to kite when I enter the plex. How can blasters be countered effectively?

The answer, as others have said, is to pick your fights carefully. EvE is foremost a game of counters. If a blaster boat is right on top of your kiter, it will always win. Flying kiting ships is a game where you position yourself carefully so that you are never caught (and it's one of the hardest things in the game). Use D-scan to check the plex, and if you see a Merlin or Incursus, don't warp in.

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Titan's Lament
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-08-05 17:15:44 UTC
then what can beat an incursus? because thats all I see in FW space
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#10 - 2013-08-05 17:18:51 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
then what can beat an incursus? because thats all I see in FW space


Use a minmatar boat and orbit in fall off at like 7-8k, or rockets. Web them and maintain it outside of their blaster range.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-08-05 17:24:50 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
then what can beat an incursus? because thats all I see in FW space


Incursus is especially tricky because of it's falloff range bonus, making it harder to kite. However, a Condor is much faster and light missiles will give you enough range to kite it. Train your navigation skills up to increase your speed and agility. You HAVE to be able to pull range or it will kill you very quickly since you are made of paper. I'm by no means an expert, but it can be done with good piloting. Like I said before, it's NOT easy. Frigate fights are some of the most challenging in the game because of the high speeds and quick action. One mistake will leave you with a fiery wreck Big smile

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Ginger Barbarella
#12 - 2013-08-05 17:25:47 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that

In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.

90% of my loses have been because of blasters.

And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue.


Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Twisted Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-08-05 17:32:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that

In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.

90% of my loses have been because of blasters.

And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue.


Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Twisted Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor.


one problem

I trained for missiles and don't have access to tech 2 weapons so I'm stuffed.

And I can't train for them because tech 2 light missile take 10 days and I'm trying to get my skills up to run my Raven battleship so I run level 4 missions so I can get the ISK to afford PvP

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=265535
Ginger Barbarella
#14 - 2013-08-05 17:34:38 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that

In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.

90% of my loses have been because of blasters.

And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue.


Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Twisted Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor.


one problem

I trained for missiles and don't have access to tech 2 weapons so I'm stuffed.


You obviously missed the key point in my post. Let me quote it for you:

Quote:
... train up your own blaster boat...


Having already trained missiles does not mean you can never train blaster skills. And as someone has already said (and I said, too) take a week and train them up. I don't understand the whining, I truly don't.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-08-05 17:38:32 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Blasters are broken in FW combat. Its as simple as that

In faction warfare we are forced to warp in at a certain point which the enemy can in effect camp allowing them to be in optional range the moment the opponent arrives. This seems to disadvantage all players that didn't go for blaster/brawler fit. Especially Caldari missile players.

90% of my loses have been because of blasters.

And thats avoiding the tech 2 issue.


Just a quick thought: fight fire with fire. Twisted Take a week, train up your own blaster boat, and return the favor.


one problem

I trained for missiles and don't have access to tech 2 weapons so I'm stuffed.


You obviously missed the key point in my post. Let me quote it for you:

Quote:
... train up your own blaster boat...


Having already trained missiles does not mean you can never train blaster skills. And as someone has already said (and I said, too) take a week and train them up. I don't understand the whining, I truly don't.


check again I've said why I can't spend the time to retrain.
Dare Knight
Bandwagoners
#16 - 2013-08-05 18:36:13 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:

check again I've said why I can't spend the time to retrain.


Put simply, you stated you're training for T2 Raven fits for run PvE content to get ISK to afford PvP. That is an excuse as to why you can't take a week to train for T2 blasters. A week. Unless you only have a month of EVE left in your life one week will allow you to PvP more effectively and isn't excluded from you because of T2 missiles. I trained T2 missiles, blasters, lasers, and guns. I wasn't restricted because I started with missiles...

At the end of the day your excuse is telling us that PvE content is what you want, not PvP. Food for thought, you don't need a T2 Raven to run L4's. Rarely will anyone tell you that it's a requirement, and if they do, they're lying (as a blanket statement). So, train T2 blasters and PvP away while you're getting your T2 Raven fit. Or keep working towards your Raven fit but don't be as effective in PvP.

Or, you know... try a different tactic. God forbid.

_It's very simple, really. If you see Tengus on scan, they are ratting. If you see a shitload of Tengus, the Russians are blobbing. If you see Proteuses on scan, they will be on top of you in about a second. If you see a shitload of Proteuses, the big boys are having a goodfight. _
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-08-05 18:41:10 UTC
Guys, this is such an obvious troll, please stop feeding him.

I'll give you 2/10 because you actually got some responses, but seriously man, totally uncreative, especially after the rockets thread.
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#18 - 2013-08-05 19:01:33 UTC
Complaints and excuses, this thread is full of them. Just because someone beat you with something doesn't mean it's OP. A saying I like is, "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." - Scissors

I love fighting blaster boats, nuets and TD's destroy blaster boats.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-08-05 19:09:25 UTC
Dread Operative wrote:
Complaints and excuses, this thread is full of them. Just because someone beat you with something doesn't mean it's OP. A saying I like is, "Rock is overpowered, paper is fine." - Scissors

I love fighting blaster boats, nuets and TD's destroy blaster boats.


your corp has blown me up a couple of times

And I don't like it when I'm blown to its in 10 seconds.

I'm sure I could like pvp in this game if it was slower and I had more health. But I can't risk battlecruisers so I have to stick to these bad frigates.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-08-05 19:16:39 UTC
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