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Trader Jjenna
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#1 - 2011-11-11 05:33:36 UTC
Eve online is still Caldari online.

The Drake is the most ubiquitous ship in the game being the best pvp and pve BC. Requiring little skills to fly properly it excels in both roles.

On the higher level of eve we have the T3s and the best T3 for both PvP (whether it be 100mn AB or otherwise) and pve is the Tengu.

So now with the tier 3 BCs they make the Naga. Complete choice of either hybrid or torps for a all 8 slots with full bonuses for each. Funny how it is more versatile than the Typhoon which CCP "generously" gave 5 slots of each (after years of asking for some love)- but a split bonus. The Naga also gets one more slot than any other racial tier 3 BC.


Why this obvious bias?

Goose99
#2 - 2011-11-11 05:39:36 UTC
What were you saying about Winmatar online?Big smile
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#3 - 2011-11-11 05:47:55 UTC
Hmm I've been missing all the talk about how OP the Naga is going to be. All those threads I thought were about the Tornado must have ACTUALLY been about the Naga, strange... I better get my eyesight checked.
Trader Jjenna
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#4 - 2011-11-11 05:49:30 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
What were you saying about Winmatar online?Big smile


You're right, because everyone is always exclaiming, "because of Huginn!"

Or not.

The only area I can see where matar beats Caldari is in Hacs because Eagle is pretty fail but Muninn is alright. But how many Muninn sniper fleets does anyone make anymore versus pure Drake fleets?
The Jersey Shore
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-11-11 05:55:09 UTC
I agree. They should really nerf drakes to keep it in line with other battlecruisers. There really is not good bc counter to a drake fleet. CCP needs to stop favoring Caldari so much and equal the playing field.
Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2011-11-11 05:56:11 UTC
Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer.

As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better.

By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates.

Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such.

Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted.

Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game.
Aquafina Ambraelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2011-11-11 06:05:54 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer.

As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better.

By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates.

Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such.

Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted.

Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game.

That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game.
Trader Jjenna
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#8 - 2011-11-11 06:07:41 UTC
Aquafina Ambraelle wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer.

As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better.

By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates.

Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such.

Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted.

Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game.

That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game.



Not to mention the Kitsune as well. Caldari has the best e-war ships in all classes.
Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-11 06:25:28 UTC
Trader Jjenna wrote:
Aquafina Ambraelle wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer.

As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better.

By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates.

Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such.

Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted.

Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game.

That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game.



Not to mention the Kitsune as well. Caldari has the best e-war ships in all classes.


EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it.

The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.
Zillam Reynardine
Stargazer Holdings
#10 - 2011-11-11 06:29:09 UTC
itt: every race except Gallente confirmed for OP

CCP, nerf every race but Gallente; Gallente frigs should be allowed to fit doomsdays.
Aquafina Ambraelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-11 06:32:56 UTC
Goodgodyourface wrote:
Trader Jjenna wrote:
Aquafina Ambraelle wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer.

As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better.

By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates.

Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such.

Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted.

Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game.

That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game.



Not to mention the Kitsune as well. Caldari has the best e-war ships in all classes.


EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it.

The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.

Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated.
Freighter Jjoe
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#12 - 2011-11-11 06:40:10 UTC
Basically, until you get to Supercaps, Caldari is hands down the Eve winner. Outside of Supercaps the only other class that arguably Caldari does not win is Hacs as someone mentioned above. But since the nano-nerf, Hac use is almost dead anyway.

Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#13 - 2011-11-11 06:40:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Fronkfurter McSheebleton
bah...typed a big response and forcot to copy... forum ate it Sad

Minmatar is at worst an equal to caldari, when you look at both races in general, not just in one aspect of PVP or PVE. Amarr are comparatively lackluster, and Gallente mostly just suck, apart from the drone boats.

thhief ghabmoef
Alara IonStorm
#14 - 2011-11-11 06:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Aquafina Ambraelle wrote:


EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it.

The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.

Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated.
[/quote]
Wow....

The Rapier is on Par with the Falcon and Rook as it allows Battleship DPS to be put on small targets and stops nanoships in there tracks.

As for the Golem the Vargur is a muuuuuch better Marauder.

Outside of ECM, some Frigates and Heavy Missiles Caldari is a wet noodle...
Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-11-11 06:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Goodgodyourface
Aquafina Ambraelle wrote:
Goodgodyourface wrote:
Trader Jjenna wrote:
Aquafina Ambraelle wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Probably because the Naga sucks. It does not have the grid to properly support Torps nor the Buffer to slug it out with nor the Utility to make them accurate while maintaining it's pathetic Buffer.

As a Rail platform it is still pretty terrible and even worse as a Blaster Boat. 800mm/1400mm Nadoes and Mega Pulse Oricles make it look like a Joke and before you ask not a very funny joke but a joke your loser bother tells at a family reunion because a Family Reunion is the only way he will get into your house. As you listen to dull tones of polite chuckling you can only think that you hope Mom slept with the mail man because the less of his genes in pool the better.

By the by the Drake and tengu are so high up on the good ship list because all of the other good Caldari ships are Frigates.

Literally Minmatar and Amarr have loads of good Ships across all classes. Fleet Battlrships, Hac's Battlecruisers, Frigates, Recons, Logistics and such.

Caldari has a few good ships but Minmatar is still ahead and Amarr is on par when all the chips are counted.

Using this Failboat as a rallying cry will get you about as far as the current stats will get it in game.

That's not true at all. The Falcon, the Rook and the scorpion are all very good ships. Caldari has enough ships that make them an over powered race. It's a shame that CCP favors caldari so much that they have to give them some of the best ships in the game. Caldari online needs to become Eve online like was initially promised when I signed up for this game.



Not to mention the Kitsune as well. Caldari has the best e-war ships in all classes.


EWar is Caldari's spiel. Of course they have the best boats for it.

The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.

Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated.


Really? Your argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not allowed to debate it"?

Any ship could be fitted with Ewar and permajam you. Caldari just happen to be exceedingly good at it, because they need to make up for the fact that missiles are useless in anything other than PVE and short-range PVP and, for now, hybrids are lol. It would be kind of like bitching that Stilettos need to be nerfed because they can run in circles around you while keeping you scrammed and webbed.

Don't like being jammed, fit some ECCM. Have someone (or some ones) in the DPS part of your fleet use ECCM, the enemy thinks they have you locked down and then all of a sudden you lock up the EWar boats and pop them. Easy solution.
Freighter Jjoe
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Fraternity.
#16 - 2011-11-11 07:00:45 UTC


The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.[/quote]
Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated.
[/quote]

Really? Your argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not allowed to debate it"?

Any ship could be fitted with Ewar and permajam you. Caldari just happen to be exceedingly good at it, because they need to make up for the fact that missiles are useless in anything other than PVE and short-range PVP and, for now, hybrids are lol. It would be kind of like bitching that Stilettos need to be nerfed because they can run in circles around you while keeping you scrammed and webbed.

Don't like being jammed, fit some ECCM. Have someone (or some ones) in the DPS part of your fleet use ECCM, the enemy thinks they have you locked down and then all of a sudden you lock up the EWar boats and pop them. Easy solution.[/quote]

Wow. Have you ever flown in a fleet battle? Since when are 80km Drakes short range? ECM has no effective counter UNLESS you fit specifically for it. Somehow that is balanced? Fit a module or get permajammed? Astounding logic.
Aquafina Ambraelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-11-11 07:08:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Aquafina Ambraelle
]Really? Your argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not allowed to debate it"?

Any ship could be fitted with Ewar and permajam you. Caldari just happen to be exceedingly good at it, because they need to make up for the fact that missiles are useless in anything other than PVE and short-range PVP and, for now, hybrids are lol. It would be kind of like bitching that Stilettos need to be nerfed because they can run in circles around you while keeping you scrammed and webbed.

Don't like being jammed, fit some ECCM. Have someone (or some ones) in the DPS part of your fleet use ECCM, the enemy thinks they have you locked down and then all of a sudden you lock up the EWar boats and pop them. Easy solution.


Only eccm requires a specif mod (ECCM) to counter it. And ECCM mods only have the benefit of countering ECM. Tracking disruptors don't take an entire ship out of the fight. And if you fit a tracking computer, it has a benefit on its own outside of countering tracking disruptors. How to counter senseor dampners? Move in closer. You don't need to fit a mod for that. Caldari ECM is so fracking overpowered, I laugh at your horribly pathetic attempt to cling to your IWIN advantage button.
Shivus Tao
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-11-11 07:34:23 UTC
Was going to reply, but this is clearly an alt troll. No one can possibly be that dense or that bad at trolling. Your statement about the naga somehow being good gave it away.
Goodgodyourface
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-11-11 07:40:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Goodgodyourface
Freighter Jjoe wrote:


Quote:
The obvious fact being that Ewar modules take up valuable mid slots, upon which shields depend.

Who needs shields when you can just sit and jam someone all day? Why would you even want to fly any other recon other than the falcon? and how about the Golem, the best maruarder in the game. Caldari is just way to over powered hands down. I don't see how this could even be debated.


Quote:
Really? Your argument is "I'm right, you're wrong, you're not allowed to debate it"?

Any ship could be fitted with Ewar and permajam you. Caldari just happen to be exceedingly good at it, because they need to make up for the fact that missiles are useless in anything other than PVE and short-range PVP and, for now, hybrids are lol. It would be kind of like bitching that Stilettos need to be nerfed because they can run in circles around you while keeping you scrammed and webbed.

Don't like being jammed, fit some ECCM. Have someone (or some ones) in the DPS part of your fleet use ECCM, the enemy thinks they have you locked down and then all of a sudden you lock up the EWar boats and pop them. Easy solution.


Quote:
Wow. Have you ever flown in a fleet battle? Since when are 80km Drakes short range? ECM has no effective counter UNLESS you fit specifically for it. Somehow that is balanced? Fit a module or get permajammed? Astounding logic.


Then fly your own jammers, or put up with the ECCM, or stop whining about the jamming. Is it 'fair' for the defenders? No. But neither was the U.S. stomping all over Iraq during the two Iraq conflicts. The U.S. had the superior technology, and held the numerical advantage.

That Caldari is the best at it is irrelevant. That's their thing. If the Caldari weren't the best Ewars, then you'd be whining about Recons/EAFs of all races. If there weren't Recons/EAFs, then you'd ***** about jamming modules in general. It's a tactic of the game, ******* deal with it. I say again, it's like whining about a tackler because he can gank you with impunity -- it's the facts of it. Fit neuts or vamps, or have more people on the field, and the problem is solved. Have more people on the field than their ECMs can target, and have all your units (including friendly ECMs) primary their EWar boats.

I swear to god, people just enjoy bitching about anything and everything. "NERF PROJECTILES, TOO POWERFUL COMPARED TO OTHER WEAPONS!" "NERF ECM, IT'S TOO EFFECTIVE!" "NERF TANKING, IT'S UNFAIR I CAN'T INSTANT POP ANYTHING!" "NERF LOGIS, IT'S UNFAIR THEY CAN RR!" Adapt and deal with it.

I've never flown Ewar, but seeing how delicious the tears are from it, I might take it up.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#20 - 2011-11-11 11:39:40 UTC
not to forget the kestrel.
almost everybody doing cynos with kestrels - nerf caldari!!

(training my cynos toward noobships right now)
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