Missions & Complexes

re: I'M TELLING ON YOU!!!

I'm feeling nice so I'll sorta be helpful.



The fact that you are getting these materials means you are doing it wrong. Grab the appropriate containers and you will only see the good loot, and moreover you'll see how much of the good loot actually drops (re: they increased the drop rates quite a bit, thus the lowered value of them on the market).

Consider a cargo scanner as well.

I disagree with this. If the only change in supply was CCP upping drops in order to account for cap sized rigs, then the increased demand for parts to make those rigs would keep prices roughly the same. T2 salvage prices have dropped by anywhere from %50-%75 since the patch**. They lowered the entry barrier to scanning across the board - in terms of skills necessary, in terms of ships necessary, and even in terms of general knowledge required.

As many have said, without rats in the profession sites, you need a frigate and a few skills at III-IV - that's it. You can argue that it was a good change to get more folks exploring, or a bad change that killed off profession site exploration as a career, but I don't think you can reasonably argue that all these changes didn't flood the market and it's just increased volume. Take any specialized profession and lower the barrier of entry to that of a level 2 mission, and profitability will follow suit.

**Let's bear in mind that some of the prices haven't bottomed out yet, either. To say nothing of the folks who have t2 salvage stockpiled, hoping for a fix or some kind of market need to drive prices back closer to where they were.




I'm not sure how/where you're exploring, but as a lowsec profession site explorer, this hasn't been my experience at all. Running the sites 3x faster obviously isn't a problem, but finding 3x the amount of sites to run, just to make somewhere near what I was making before Odyssey, isn't always possible. I actually hopped back into hisec last week to take a run at some 4/10's and in the first 30 minutes I'd made as much as I had in the previous 3 weeks worth of data/relic sites.

And there's the irony, as far as I'm concerned: the great exploration expansion actually made it far more profitable for solo explorers to farm hisec sites with almost no risk instead of actually getting out of their comfort zones and, you know, exploring.

I like them. You can now actually make money without using a gun or a miner and still fly in space.

I no longer need to use a combat ship, I can actually use a covops ship...and I can no longer just warp in and stare at local while my modules unlock the cans and I shoot rat.

I like it, I have to pay attention.


If you dont like it, go do combat sites. Leave this like it is.

I kinda like it actually, the minigames are more fun imo because you aren't 100% sure you get the loot your cargo-scanner just showed you. It's way better then mindlessly killing some npc's that usually aren't able to do you any harm.

Also, it's still possible to find npc-rats in these sites, namely in w-space and in gas-sites. So if you prefer rats just try these sites instead.

I wasn't a huge fan of the rats either but i would take it any day over the low entry barrier crap that profession sites are now.
CCP has failed to provide a progression in difficulty in the new sites. In null each site from the "easy" to the "hard" ones has containers of each tier so it's all the same low difficulty and can be done by low skilled noob in cheap ship.
Yea i know i can do combat sites or do wh sites but still would have been damn nice to have non red cross shooting activity that provide a challenge and adequate rewards for the more experienced explorers.

Before the Odyssey patch, some nullsec RADAR sites had like 10+ BS rats in it, I would say these would definately harm you.
Making most of the 'explorers' frankly ignoring these sites.

I don't mind having rats again either, I do mind that annoying clicking and mini-container-throw up however.

I have just returned after some time off. May I just say about the new "Exploration" system, "are you kidding me?" I have really never subscribed to the "dumbing down" credo, but this is ridiculous.

While it is nice that my suggestion for pre-formed probe formations was implemented, this minigame thing is lame. So easy it is laughable. Then the little boxes flying about. Why not put butterfly wings on them as well!

I used to like the challenge in sites....gone. Oh well let's see how the profits go but jeez guys....

Please explain how dual boxing helps one person click on the flying containers.

Playing the new, inaptly called "exploration system" is like playing Mario Brothers.

If you like playing Mario Brothers, then Eve's new take on "exploration" is right for you.

Otherwise, a MAJOR step in the wrong direction.