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First off I'd like to recommend we all refer to this as The Skunkworks Warning. If you don't know why, get over to C&P to find out what we've been up to that is the likely cause of this. Okay fine, don't. But I will :)

I can't speak for all the members of Skunkworks, but I have been advocating for this change since we started all this two weeks ago. I have no objection to this, as I agree it's not right that someone can commit an act which yields aggression without knowing they've done so. As I've said before, sometimes the best way to get something fixed quickly is to abuse the hell out of it until CCP has to move. Over 200 highsec incursion kills in two weeks is apparently enough to cause a patch.

That said, this patch removes the last justification for logis NOT inheriting the 60 second timer that prevents them from docking or using gates to escape aggression. There's no excuse for them to be allowed to aid someone engaging in aggression without being flagged for that aggression as well. So this is my proposal:

A logistics pilot cannot dock or jump through a gate until 60 seconds after they stopped repairing an aggressing target, or their rep target's own aggression timer runs out.

Remote support is a force multiplier and either enhances the performance of the supported ship or hinders the performance of its enemy. They shouldn't get a free pass just because they don't directly fire on anyone.

edit: I've never lost a ship to the neutral rr whores who dwell in highsec. I've even killed a few. It's about making the game mechanics consistent and reasonable.

Also, you've demonstrated a consistent lack of comprehension of how aggression mechanics work in other threads. I'm not sure you're particularly qualified to comment on this with any kind of authority.

I do agree that logis shouldn't walk off scot-free when repping someone who has an aggression timer or whatnot. HOWEVER: you CANNOT make the 60 second gate/station aggression timer be refreshed to its full 60 seconds each time you rep someone with said timer. Otherwise the 60 second timer will keep bouncing back and forth between cap-chaining and/or mutually tanking logistics ships, rendering them unable to disengage from the fight with the gang's DPS. This leads to the logistics becoming separated from the DPS ships (they dock/jump through, you don't because your timer is going and going and going) and/or simply being forced to sit there and get blown up, unable to tank the incoming DPS by buffer and speed/sig alone. (Which will make logis worse than worthless in lowsec, among other things.)


For more details, see Aamrr's thread in the Assembly Hall speaking to the same topic.

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