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CY54
Galactic Exploration
#1 - 2013-08-03 17:11:10 UTC
Just back from a break from EVE and with the new changes in recent months what are the best Vexor setups for solo pvp. Is active or buffer tank best. Ive got a couple ive come up with so far,

Active

Highs

4 x Electron Blaster II

Mids

10mn MWD II
Medium Cap Booster II
Stasis Web II
Warp Scram II

Lows

Medium Ancillary Armour repper
Medium Armour Repper II
EANM II
DCU II
Drone Damage Amp II

Rigs

Medium Nanobot Accelerator
Medium Auxillary Nano Pump
Medium Ancillary Current Router

Drones

2 x Ogre II
2 x Hammerhead II
1 x Hobgoblin II

Buffer

Highs

4 x Heavy Ion Blaster II

Mids
10mn MWD II
2 x Fleeting Webs
Faint Epsilon Scram

Lows

DCU II
800mm Steel Plate II
EANM II
Explosive Membrane II
Drone Damage Amp II

Rigs

3 x Trimark Armour Pumps

same drone setup as above,

Feel free to pick apart, cheers in advance.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#2 - 2013-08-03 17:31:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Syrias Bizniz
Drop the nanobot accelerator, it's a bad rig when used with a MAAR.

The Buffer is quite light on the dualreps, some ships might be able to volley through it and start chipping on your hull before reps apply.

Also, Tech 2 MWD is bad. Period.


I think if i really wanted to go dualrep i'd fit it like this...

[Vexor, DualRep]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hammerhead II x2
Ogre II x2
Hobgoblin II x1



needs 3% PG.
Whitehound
#3 - 2013-08-03 18:39:57 UTC
CY54 wrote:
Just back from a break from EVE and with the new changes in recent months what are the best Vexor setups for solo pvp. Is active or buffer tank best. Ive got a couple ive come up with so far,
...

Unless you need a high agility is a buffer tank better for the Vexor. It is a slow cruiser and the speed penalty for fitting a big plate will be of little significance. An active tank requires more micro management and leaves less time to focus on targets and especially the drone management itself. Even more so when you want to use two repairers. Take this into consideration. It sometimes only needs one failed click to lose a ship and having too many buttons increases the risk of this to happen.

Because of the low speed will you also often not be able to bring blasters into their optimal range, but have to hope for a target to come very close to you. Unless your target wants to be caught will the blasters be useless, and only a brawler will try to come close. Putting one or two neuts next to blasters can help to control a fight better than only using blasters.

The following has got 33k eHP with another 7k eHP coming from the ASB. Some will mock the double tanking, but with a 24k eHP armor buffer tank plus 6k eHP on hull can one possibly reload the ASB and get even more tank out of it, all while it is pretty resilient to cap warfare. It deals 465 DPS max. from drones and neuts with 24GJ/s.

[Vexor, PvP MWD Drone Fortress]

Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Faint Warp Disruptor I

Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x2
Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x4

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#4 - 2013-08-03 19:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Inkuras
Whitehound please stop with the dual tanked Vexor. I have not seen anyone score a single kill with it and that is most likely because you have 0 range control. CY45 you will be much better served my the 1600 buffer fit. The dual rep setup simply does not have the buffer needed to survive, although the fit posted by Syrias looks good and I'll have to try it out sometime. For the most part however, 1600 plated is your best bet. I run a setup like this:

Vexor: Drone Bunny

Highs:
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I (x2)
Light Neutron Blaster II (x2)

Mids:
Experimental 10mn Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Small Capacitor Booster II

Lows:
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Plating (x2)
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Rigs:
Medium Trimark Armour Pump I (x3)

Drones:
Whatever you wish, I can't use T2 heavies so I usually bring 7 Hammerheads and then the rest Hobs and Warriors.

40k EHP tank, 380 DPS (with T2 mediums) and your blasters. The neuts really help put pressure on cap dependent ships while you are nearly unaffected by them because of drones and your cap booster.

Edit: that fit requires the Genolution Core implant set to fit, but they are relatively cheap (38 mill total for both)

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Whitehound
#5 - 2013-08-03 19:13:59 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Whitehound please stop with the dual tanked Vexor. I have not seen anyone score a single kill with it and that is most likely because you have 0 range control.

Please stop talking to me. I do not care what you have or not have seen. I do not need your permission, Liam. Realise that a double tank lets one fit two drone damage mods, which for a drone boat is significant. It means you have more DPS over the entire control range.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#6 - 2013-08-03 19:18:20 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Whitehound please stop with the dual tanked Vexor. I have not seen anyone score a single kill with it and that is most likely because you have 0 range control.

Please stop talking to me. I do not care what you have or not have seen. I do not need your permission, Liam. Realise that a double tank lets one fit two drone damage mods, which for a drone boat is significant. It means you have more DPS over the entire control range.

You can fit 2 DDA when 1600 plated, you just sacrifice a few thousand EHP (7k I think) for an extra 80 or so DPS. All up to personal preference.

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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#7 - 2013-08-03 19:22:59 UTC
I'd fit meta 4 web.

Also, keep in mind that the dualrep-vexor posted by me has fairly... weak resistances. Might be working better if you decide on going MAAR + EANM and drop the Ancillary for another aux pump... I just strapped it together in EFT, and saw that 800mm + Dualrep is a waste of powergrid.

Also: Arbitrator is a sweet, sweet brawler, but sssshhhhh! We don't want to make it fotm, do we?
Whitehound
#8 - 2013-08-03 19:30:04 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Whitehound please stop with the dual tanked Vexor. I have not seen anyone score a single kill with it and that is most likely because you have 0 range control.

Please stop talking to me. I do not care what you have or not have seen. I do not need your permission, Liam. Realise that a double tank lets one fit two drone damage mods, which for a drone boat is significant. It means you have more DPS over the entire control range.

You can fit 2 DDA when 1600 plated, you just sacrifice a few thousand EHP (7k I think) for an extra 80 or so DPS. All up to personal preference.

I know, but I can do it while I still have more tank. I also do not care for web and scram, because with a 1600mm plate will it not make a difference against a brawling cruiser as these will be able to dictate their range better than the Vexor can. I rather focus on increasing my chances beyond brawling range with more drone DPS and a point.

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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#9 - 2013-08-03 19:38:19 UTC
To be honest, Whitehound, in THAT case you might just as well drop the point and fit another Invul or Omnidirectional.
Cause as you said, your range control is terrible. Now tell me, how do you suppose to keep someone from warping away with that longpoint if you can't keep up with him anyways?
Nihassa
RvB Industries
#10 - 2013-08-03 19:43:56 UTC
I'll admit , im slightly tempted to fit up Armor Brawler with a LASB just for the hilarity of being able to fully rep your shields when entering hull, and giving you time to rep up your armor again, and wait until the ASB reload. As they use no cap they wouldn't cannibalise your armor tank.

Wouldn't dedicate 2 mids to it tho, but i think you can brawl alright without the web, no?
Whitehound
#11 - 2013-08-03 19:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Whitehound
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
To be honest, Whitehound, in THAT case you might just as well drop the point and fit another Invul or Omnidirectional.
Cause as you said, your range control is terrible. Now tell me, how do you suppose to keep someone from warping away with that longpoint if you can't keep up with him anyways?

You first tell me how you keep someone from warping away when you cannot catch them in the first place. A brawler that comes to you will likely be able also to counter your tackle and get away from you again. You only imagine you could tackle something when it is more likely out of your control. A short range tackle is here more useless than a point. When you then can neut your target is a point all you need. Being able to send 5 Hammerhead IIs over 60km range with 350 DPS in addition makes it more worth.

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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#12 - 2013-08-03 19:55:41 UTC
Even if you apply neut pressure onto the brawler on you, he will have a scram and web he will be able to keep running just because of the activation time of your neuts. It takes 3 seconds roughly from an empty cap to an activated scram. And this is how he pulls range until he's out of neut range, where the MWD will kick in. If he is capinjected he'll just pull range even faster. If he has a NOS fitted you're ruining your own capacitor.
If he is pulling range, your drones start piling up mostly behind him, easy targets to pick off and mitigate tons of damage.

I can't see any reason to keep a longpoint fitted. You will kill enemies only because of their stupidiness, and that also works without a point. Just keep them interested that they will kill this PvE ship before they die. After all, you have that ASB. You can baittank.
Whitehound
#13 - 2013-08-03 20:03:07 UTC
Syrias Bizniz wrote:
Even if you apply neut pressure onto the brawler on you, he will have a scram and web he will be able to keep running just because of the activation time of your neuts. It takes 3 seconds roughly from an empty cap to an activated scram. And this is how he pulls range until he's out of neut range, where the MWD will kick in. If he is capinjected he'll just pull range even faster. If he has a NOS fitted you're ruining your own capacitor.
If he is pulling range, your drones start piling up mostly behind him, easy targets to pick off and mitigate tons of damage.

If he is cap injected and if he has got a neut. And if he does not then you win... You can still go after the ship with your own MWD. Also whose drones are you talking about, yours or mine? Because yours can be shot just as easily. Where is there the difference? Mine at least do more damage.

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Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#14 - 2013-08-03 22:29:04 UTC
This is how I would solo a vexor if I so inclined.

[Vexor, Brawler - Dual rep - Solo]

800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Hammerhead II x2
Ogre II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Hornet II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


The 800mm plate is enough not to get alpha'd through. Gives a little bit more speed than the 1600mm plate (approx 70m/s) Is cap stable with MWD off and has a bit of utility with the nuet for tacklers. A few medium blasters for when you need to chew through cruisers. Neut, web and an extra flight of lights for frigs and ECM's just in case. More flexability with better performance.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-08-04 09:18:24 UTC
T2 MWD isn't useless, it's better on a pure active tanked ship that isn't going to burn around to much.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#16 - 2013-08-04 11:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Never saw you mention the location you want to use your vexor. In Null, you'll need the speed of an MWD. In Low, you'd be way better off with the standard AB dualrep-vexor.

Quote:
[Vexor, lowsec brawler]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 25
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
10MN Afterburner II

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Antimatter Charge M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I


Whereas Warriors/Hobgoblins and webscram helps more against frigates than any neut could ever do.


Edit: Ye, apparently Vexors fit straight forward. I believe 5 near identical fits are posted here. :) I believe T2 mwds are more crucial if it helps a frigate to go far beyond 400 capacitor (for cap booster 400s). Else they are pretty much wayne, as their higher cap consumption eqalizes that advatange right away.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#17 - 2013-08-04 11:16:40 UTC
A pure active tanked ship probably has some sort of capinject anyways, be it NOS or Boosters, so the ~0.2 cap/s more you gain from a Tech 2 MWD at peak regen won't really make a difference, at least not for the additional fitting and cost.

In my opinion.
Jani Padecain
Panama Investment Bank
#18 - 2013-08-04 15:05:01 UTC
I recomend to look into sentrys when fielding Vexor.

Tank on low and one drone damage mod, med´s have MWD,sram,target painter and drone tracking link, rest is wild card.

Nice DPS with 3sentrys and not releying on big guns frees some space for better tank modules.
Also vexor is slow ship. Sentrys give you a chance against faster more range based ship setups.
Jani Padecain
Panama Investment Bank
#19 - 2013-08-04 16:31:46 UTC
Nihassa wrote:
I'll admit , im slightly tempted to fit up Armor Brawler with a LASB just for the hilarity of being able to fully rep your shields when entering hull, and giving you time to rep up your armor again, and wait until the ASB reload. As they use no cap they wouldn't cannibalise your armor tank.

Wouldn't dedicate 2 mids to it tho, but i think you can brawl alright without the web, no?


Me and my friend ones had a similar setup but only in arbitrators. ASB on med´s, armor repper on lows and energy transfer in highslots. Didn´t work tho but was reallly fun setup to fly. And cheap.

Basicly the idea was. The one who is getting shot at runs ASB dry, after damage is bleeding on armor start the repper while friend give you boosts on cap. Everything went well untill we runned into a ship what had figured out the joys of medium neut.. *sadface*
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#20 - 2013-08-05 20:01:33 UTC
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