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Seeking 40bn ISK investment
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Jamisine
Altsortium.
#1 - 2013-08-01 18:05:57 UTC
After the success of my previous offering, I have decided to try a more unusual financial offering than is otherwise proposed. I am planning on entering the T2 market through invention. My proposal is thus, I am looking for approximately 40bn of investment capital for the period of one month. I will be supplying the tower, pos mods, bpcs from which to invent from. Your investment will ensure the appropriate decryptors are purchased and a steady stream of T2 items can hit the market. Profits will be distributed as follows.

Week 1: No return on investment (startup phase)
Week 2: 1st Phase Profits distributed (80% split for investors, 20% will be used in salaries) estimated between 5-10% rate of return.
Week 3: 2nd Phase Profits distributed (80% split for investors, 20% will be used in salaries) estimated between 5-10% rate of return.
Week 4: Wind down, investors will receive original sums back as stock is liquidated, on day 7 any remaining profits will be divided (80% split for investors, 20% personal bonus).

I will not be providing collateral.

Depending on the success I may choose to make similar offerings for short term projects, this is because I am moving away from t1 production and need to ensure better liquidity.

All investors will be required to post on this thread and weekly results will be supplied keeping yourselves informed.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#2 - 2013-08-01 18:12:07 UTC
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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-08-01 18:59:18 UTC
You are jumping from your first loan EVER of 4 bil in which someone had to get you to cough up some BPOs for collateral, to wanting a 40 bil loan with no collateral.

I really need to look into asking for loans if it is this easy.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#4 - 2013-08-01 19:29:14 UTC
Kyt Thrace wrote:
You are jumping from your first loan EVER of 4 bil in which someone had to get you to cough up some BPOs for collateral, to wanting a 40 bil loan with no collateral.

I really need to look into asking for loans if it is this easy.


This could have ended in some decent IPO, if only the OP bothered to do something right about it.

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Zero Sum Gain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-08-01 19:32:43 UTC
Isn't the nature of inventing a gamble? Your skill level and optional items improve your chances but create no guarantees.
Jamisine
Altsortium.
#6 - 2013-08-01 21:19:17 UTC
Zero Sum Gain wrote:
Isn't the nature of inventing a gamble? Your skill level and optional items improve your chances but create no guarantees.


That's correct, just is listing items on the market. However like everything in eve you can mitigate risks. For example without revealing the specifics and thus jeopardizing my plans, I am avoiding invention attempts on low volume, high value items which would make this project vulnerable, such as Jump Freighters.

As such I have based my projections on averages and have dipped my toe into the market over the past 2 weeks. I am confident of making a profit over the 4 week duration.
okoolos rimmer
Napkin Nation
#7 - 2013-08-01 22:53:10 UTC
why not provide the bpos as collateral (partial at least)
Rykker Bow
Center for Advanced Studies
#8 - 2013-08-01 23:51:37 UTC
The problem with this offering is not in the proposal, although that in itself is oversimplified and weak, it is in what is in essence an offering on faith. While all non collateralized offerings are on faith, this one goes to a whole new level.

Unless I’m missing something obvious, you have participated in two threads. First one is your request for a 4b non-collateralized loan that did not get action until it was changed to a collateralized option and this loan being your second. What has happened in the last month other than the successful ending of your previous 7 day COLLATERALIZED loan of 4b that has earned you the public trust for a non-collateralized loan of 10 times the first amount? Also, what experience do you have in handling these much larger amounts of ISK do you have?

Pardons for being overly blunt, but it’s a question I’m interested in hearing the answers to as going from a 4b collateralized to a 40b non-collateralized loan is rather extreme.

As far as the invention process goes, my experience with it is that while the nature of invention has random properties to it through it’s formula and skills needed, over the long term these random properties are lessened through averaging and can actually become quite reliable.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#9 - 2013-08-02 03:29:21 UTC
I question how the OP intends to manage such an enormous turnover of invention jobs that their decryptor costs, datacore costs and POS costs are at forty billion.

I have 4 characters involved in tech 2 production and my working capital tied up in that project is less than two billion. Granted I don't invent marauders or BLOPs, but even that only requires ten to fifteen billion (almost all tied up in battleship BPOs).

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#10 - 2013-08-02 06:36:31 UTC
Rykker Bow wrote:
The problem with this offering is not in the proposal, although that in itself is oversimplified and weak, it is in what is in essence an offering on faith. While all non collateralized offerings are on faith, this one goes to a whole new level.


This thread is not completely useless after all.

There's Rykker Bow talking inside!


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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#11 - 2013-08-02 23:18:48 UTC

Please do not forget the cost to calculate in a New Order permit. This venture sounds very bot-aspirant.

For further details, please visit www.minerbumping.com

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#12 - 2013-08-04 12:28:38 UTC
can i haz salaries too?

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Markus Navarro
Osmon Integrated Robotics
#13 - 2013-08-04 16:33:27 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:

Please do not forget the cost to calculate in a New Order permit. This venture sounds very bot-aspirant.

For further details, please visit www.minerbumping.com


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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-08-05 13:02:35 UTC
Markus Navarro wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:

Please do not forget the cost to calculate in a New Order permit. This venture sounds very bot-aspirant.

For further details, please visit www.minerbumping.com


Go Home Jamey, you're drunk. You forgot to switch toon again

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Ellon JTC
Quadralien
#15 - 2013-08-05 13:39:10 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I question how the OP intends to manage such an enormous turnover of invention jobs that their decryptor costs, datacore costs and POS costs are at forty billion.

I have 4 characters involved in tech 2 production and my working capital tied up in that project is less than two billion. Granted I don't invent marauders or BLOPs, but even that only requires ten to fifteen billion (almost all tied up in battleship BPOs).


Exactly. Unless if you plan on making jump freights 24/7 you don't need 40bl isk for t2 invention
J Galt
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-05 22:27:25 UTC
Step 1: 4b
Step 2: 40b
Step 3: 400b
Step 4: pvp
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-08-07 19:38:36 UTC
Hello, I am seeking an uncollaterized loan of 100 billion iskie wiskies. I will double your money in 3 months through various non-specific trading methods such as paying BOB to blow up random alliance's POS's unless they remit a "security subscription payment" to me on a regular basis.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#18 - 2013-08-07 19:41:04 UTC
Droidster wrote:
Hello, I am seeking an uncollaterized loan of 100 billion iskie wiskies. I will double your money in 3 months through various non-specific trading methods such as paying BOB to blow up random alliance's POS's unless they remit a "security subscription payment" to me on a regular basis.




BOB? were you in a coma few years?

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