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Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-08-04 00:35:43 UTC
Ok, so my bro is coming over tomorrow and we plan on throwing down on some EVE all day for my birthday. He was planning on bringing his computer over with him and hooking it up over here.

My question is, will we have any problems if he goes through my router to connect to the internet? I mean is his account tied to his IP address and will it cause problems for him if he connects through mine?

Are there any steps we have to take when we connect him through the router?

I'm not sure about these things and would appreciate any and all advice thrown my way on the subject.

Thanks.

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-08-04 00:53:01 UTC
Shouldn't get any problems
Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-08-04 00:55:56 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Shouldn't get any problems


Cool, I just didn't want our accounts banned for account sharing when he logs in through my ISP.

Figured I'd ask on the forums as I'm sure a few of the players have done this once or twice with friends or siblings.

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-08-04 01:34:06 UTC
Soloman Jackson wrote:
Wafflehead wrote:
Shouldn't get any problems


Cool, I just didn't want our accounts banned for account sharing when he logs in through my ISP.

Figured I'd ask on the forums as I'm sure a few of the players have done this once or twice with friends or siblings.


Of-course it could be flagged as account sharing and that is against the EULA, but there is nothing you can really do to prevent it.
If it does get flagged, you can speak to a GM and explain the situation and get the accounts unblocked.
Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-08-04 01:47:49 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Soloman Jackson wrote:
Wafflehead wrote:
Shouldn't get any problems


Cool, I just didn't want our accounts banned for account sharing when he logs in through my ISP.

Figured I'd ask on the forums as I'm sure a few of the players have done this once or twice with friends or siblings.


Of-course it could be flagged as account sharing and that is against the EULA, but there is nothing you can really do to prevent it.
If it does get flagged, you can speak to a GM and explain the situation and get the accounts unblocked.



Damn it. Well if it's going to even have a chance to get flagged I sure ain't gonna do it. That really sucks.

There isn't any way to log in at a Friend/siblings house and not run that chance? I'm new to EVE and don't wanna rock the boat or cause ripples in the pond...and i sure in the hell don't want to be cut off from my account because I wanted to hang out with my bro on my birthday.

Please, somebody tell me a way to get this done if there is a way.

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-08-04 01:51:02 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Soloman Jackson wrote:
Wafflehead wrote:
Shouldn't get any problems


Cool, I just didn't want our accounts banned for account sharing when he logs in through my ISP.

Figured I'd ask on the forums as I'm sure a few of the players have done this once or twice with friends or siblings.


Of-course it could be flagged as account sharing and that is against the EULA, but there is nothing you can really do to prevent it.
If it does get flagged, you can speak to a GM and explain the situation and get the accounts unblocked.

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-08-04 02:26:39 UTC
You would be logging 2 acct's in from the same IP, which happens constantly. No issues, none, you're fine.

Logging in the same acct from multiple IP ids what looks like acct sharing... which is the opposite of what you're doing
Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-08-04 02:52:55 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
You would be logging 2 acct's in from the same IP, which happens constantly. No issues, none, you're fine.

Logging in the same acct from multiple IP ids what looks like acct sharing... which is the opposite of what you're doing


Thank you.

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2013-08-04 03:02:46 UTC
Same IP is likely no problem. Same computer may look suspicious (CCP records a hardware fingerprint).
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#10 - 2013-08-04 03:48:26 UTC
I take my PC round to my mates quite a lot to just have random EVE gaming nights, pizza and beer, so I am going to hazard a guess and say you will be alright.

Alternatively, you can always petition it and explain the situation to GM and ask them if this is okay to do so without reprocussions.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

Pepper Swift
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-08-04 03:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Pepper Swift
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
You would be logging 2 acct's in from the same IP, which happens constantly. No issues, none, you're fine.

Logging in the same acct from multiple IP ids what looks like acct sharing... which is the opposite of what you're doing


This is the correct answer.. acc sharing is only when they detect the same acc being logged on diff ip addresses

Even then, there are specific conditions that would flag account sharing..

Edited for clarification

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#12 - 2013-08-04 04:51:03 UTC
Not a problem. A lot of people run multiple Eve clients from the same IP (any place that goes through a router, like households, offices, etc). Many people also run multiple clients from the same computer. I don't know how the CCP Security Team does their account sharing detection, but it certainly accounts for stuff like this, and for people moving their computer around, or logging in from a different location. Heaven knows I'd be banned a million times if I were to be banned every time I logged in with a friend's computer to update my skill queue because I had forgotten about it.

The one caveat is that only one trial account can run per computer. That's enforced by Eve itself, though, not through bans.

Note: This is not an official CCP answer! We ISD volunteers only speak from our own experience/knowledge. For an official answer for CCP, you will want to submit a support ticket. They might also answer here, but that's completely up to them.\

Good luck!

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NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
#13 - 2013-08-04 07:42:00 UTC
Not has anything like this happen to my self, more just heard it from others that heard it from a friend that heard it from a friend kind of thing.

There are two things that can cause them to react.
One is if you log in from one location (say you log in from somewhere in US), and then 5 minutes later you log in from somewhere in EU.
It would be quite difficult for you to explain how you could travel from US to EU in that short amount of time obviously, so from what i have been told that would make them react since it would most likely be either account sharing or your account got hacked.
However, when you log in from US and then 24 hour later find your self in EU they will not react (at least not in my experience and having traveled between US and EU on a regular basis i would think they would have asked me by now if they had any concerns).

Keeping a character logged in 23/7.
This story is even more shady but who knows, might be some truth to it.
When a character is online and active 23/7 it looks suspicious, and even if your not using a macro but you and your relative is sharing the account this will be a breach of the EULA.

So even if its your brother, make sure he is not using your account and the other way around, even if its just for skill changes.

And btw... Happy birthday! Smile
Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-08-04 09:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Wafflehead
I can't believe half the replies here..

The case of logging into 2 accounts via the same IP is not an issue...
The case of logging into an account at a brand new location (IP) is an issue

Account sharing is flagged when an account that regularly logs in from a certain IP, connects with a new IP that is associated with another account.

As I said, you may flag for account sharing because of the change of IP/location/provider, if you do get flagged you can take the relevant action and petition a request.
James Hakkar
Pro Synergy
#15 - 2013-08-04 11:13:11 UTC  |  Edited by: James Hakkar
Wafflehead wrote:
I can't believe half the replies here..

The case of logging into 2 accounts via the same IP is not an issue...
The case of logging into an account at a brand new location (IP) is an issue

Account sharing is flagged when an account that regularly logs in from a certain IP, connects with a new IP that is associated with another account.

As I said, you may flag for account sharing because of the change of IP/location/provider, if you do get flagged you can take the relevant action and petition a request.


What you said will not happen, because there is also a hardware-ID which stays the same (he is bringing his computer too). Also, lots of people connect through a dynamic IP address, would that flag them every time? Your reasoning about the "brand new IP" make no sense when you think it through.

Nightcrawlers post explains how it works, logging in between different countries in a short period of time, that could cause some issues. CCP is not restricting you to move around and login, as long as it's you that is logging in.

One thing that might happen (and im not even sure because the hardwareID stays the same) is when your brother logs in, the game will ask which characters are on the account because you never logged on from that IP. That is no account sharing flag, that is just to make sure any potential hacker doesn't get in easily.

Everything will be fine, don't scare him with nonsense. I've done this stuff a lot (laptops move around a lot) myself and never got in any problem.

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Pepper Swift
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-04 11:36:07 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
I can't believe half the replies here..

The case of logging into 2 accounts via the same IP is not an issue...
The case of logging into an account at a brand new location (IP) is an issue

Account sharing is flagged when an account that regularly logs in from a certain IP, connects with a new IP that is associated with another account.

As I said, you may flag for account sharing because of the change of IP/location/provider, if you do get flagged you can take the relevant action and petition a request.


This is not true.. if it is then people that has 2 accounts would have gotten banned..

What I need most.. is a day between Saturday and Sunday...

If life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic

Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-08-04 11:47:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Wafflehead
Pepper Swift wrote:
Wafflehead wrote:
I can't believe half the replies here..

The case of logging into 2 accounts via the same IP is not an issue...
The case of logging into an account at a brand new location (IP) is an issue

Account sharing is flagged when an account that regularly logs in from a certain IP, connects with a new IP that is associated with another account.

As I said, you may flag for account sharing because of the change of IP/location/provider, if you do get flagged you can take the relevant action and petition a request.


This is not true.. if it is then people that has 2 accounts would have gotten banned..


I don't think you quite read or understood my message.

Multiple accounts (multi boxing) is not against the EULA. Most players have more than 1 account, therefor logging more than 1 account on the same IP will not cause any issues.

The whole point of this thread is that his friend will be going from logging in from his 'home' to his 'friends house'... Therefor a change of IP will cause the detection systems to flag it.. Just like if someone had hacked your account and logged in from Spain where you normally log in from the US...
James Hakkar
Pro Synergy
#18 - 2013-08-04 12:05:35 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:


The whole point of this thread is that his friend will be going from logging in from his 'home' to his 'friends house'... Therefor a change of IP will cause the detection systems to flag it..


I'll make it short then, long replies you just ignore.

No.

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Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-08-04 12:12:18 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Therefor a change of IP will cause the detection systems to flag it.. Just like if someone had hacked your account and logged in from Spain where you normally log in from the US...


I regularly log in from 2 or 3 different IP address ranges using 2 different computers over a weekend (Mine, coffee shop wireless, parent's network). Couple months ago over the course of a week I logged in from 4 different countries on two continents, probably 6 or 7 different IP ranges (hotels, airport, restaurant, etc). Never had the slightest problems, never even had a query as to what's going on.

I would suspect the account sharing flagging is a little more complex than just 'change IP = flag'
Pepper Swift
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-08-04 12:20:35 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Pepper Swift wrote:
Wafflehead wrote:
I can't believe half the replies here..

The case of logging into 2 accounts via the same IP is not an issue...
The case of logging into an account at a brand new location (IP) is an issue

Account sharing is flagged when an account that regularly logs in from a certain IP, connects with a new IP that is associated with another account.

As I said, you may flag for account sharing because of the change of IP/location/provider, if you do get flagged you can take the relevant action and petition a request.


This is not true.. if it is then people that has 2 accounts would have gotten banned..


I don't think you quite read or understood my message.

Multiple accounts (multi boxing) is not against the EULA. Most players have more than 1 account, therefor logging more than 1 account on the same IP will not cause any issues.

The whole point of this thread is that his friend will be going from logging in from his 'home' to his 'friends house'... Therefor a change of IP will cause the detection systems to flag it.. Just like if someone had hacked your account and logged in from Spain where you normally log in from the US...



A hypothetical situation.. but I believe is quite common:

what happens if you have multiple account.. and for one reason or another you move in a flat with your mates who also play eve.. ??

Your theory suggest that it will get flagged..

Now take a step back. . How often do you think this happens? Or something similar ie what the op asked about.. ccp support will be somewhat flooded with request to unblock accounts..

So you want your detection logic to be a little smarter than just isolate any ol ip change..

What I need most.. is a day between Saturday and Sunday...

If life gives you melons, you might be dyslexic

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