Missions & Complexes

Hi.

I got rejected as Oneiros pilot in TDF yesterday by the simply fact that I got a medium remote repairer on my Logistic. Since it probably has something to do with this article: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=ArmorOneiros and even 2 TDF leaders reinforced this opinion herself I might write down a bit about the module and the pros/cons. I am not a new logi pilot and I flown logistics in Incursions for over 2 years, thousands of sites, uncountable scenarios where everything went wrong and did quite a bit logi FC, so bare with me here. While it is true that normal medium remote repair systems are far worse in the performance compared to large, the dead space ones are pretty close and in a mixed fitting the difference is fairly small. While the rep amount difference is fairly negotiable(hilarious if you keep in mind that most FCs want damage drones), it allows the logi to run longer, fit more utility(tracking links), tank better or get around fitting implants, that limit the ability's of the pilot in other hulls or very expensive modules like the storyline 1600mm plate.

4 meta 4 large RR: 4 * 384 / 5 = 307,2 hp/s
3 T2 + deadspace med RR: 3 * 384 / 4.5 + 312 / 5 = 318,4 hp/s
4 T2: 4 * 384 / 4,5 = 341,4 hp/s

With a full wing of T2 RR drones(5 x 70 / 5 = 70hp/s) we get 388,4 vs 411,4 hp/s what equals 94,4% of the hp/s of a full large T2 RR fitting or 3% better than a fitting with 4 meta 4 repairers(377,2 vs 388,4).

[Oneiros, VG]
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Federation Navy Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Federation Navy Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script

Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System

Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II

This fitting with the EM-806 runs 20 minutes, even with neuting I never did run in any cap problems using all reps at 100% uptime with it. You could even use all 5 low slots for tank, while still having 2.45 minutes of runtime or add a signal amplifier or drone damage mods if you run a contest setup.

[Oneiros, Assault/HQ]
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum A-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

10MN Analog Booster Rockets
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script
Shadow Serpentis Tracking Link, Optimal Range Script

Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Centum A-Type Medium Remote Armor Repair System

Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor II

This fitting runs 9 minutes, offers 3 tracking links and with the same tank as cap recharger fittings,it could be fully stable with another cap recharger. I never did run into any capacitor problem with it, between switch targets and the spawning of new waves it is more or less fully cap stable.

While I could get me a new Oneiros with a 4 T2 large repairer fitting without any issues, I would like to see that TDF re-evaluate her general stance about the module, since it opens up a lot of interesting fitting options, offers better performance than meta 4 RR fittings and can also be used by younger players with less support skills to build sustainable and well tanked Logistics. While it is a case to case decision on fitting that combine meta 4 RR with a medium dead space, I build up a fitting like this for somebody that started to fly a Execuror for us and jumped into his Oneiros with logistics level 4(still 4 links). I noticed a big performance improvement over his first fitting that only had like 2 minutes of cap and was rather a glass cannon. If you can use all 4 reps sustainable it is often more effective than if you are forced down to 3 reps in general and only use the 4. one in burst scenarios.

So in summery:

T2 RR + medium rep offers longer runtime, can be tanked better or offers more utility, is comparable with 4 meta 4 RR fittings in remote rep performance, requires no power grid implants, offers the best mix out of utility, survivability(most of the current Oneiroses I have seen in AS gangs are rather flimsy compared to guardians) and rr performance for Assault/HQ and is often a better choice for newer players than the general 2-3 minutes fittings, because her support skills are not maxed they will not even reach this figures and are more often than not just limited to 3 remote repair modules.

Thx for reading.

You'll fly what everyone else fly's and you'll like it. What do you think this is, some kind of sandbox where you can do whatever you want?

That FC is quite terrible. replacing meta reppers with t2 and one ds medium slightly reduces repping power but frees pg for better plate and what not. I would say that he doesn't tinker with fittings, just accepts what should everyone use and has no will to improve.

That's what I'd love people to do to me if I made a mistake, though in private first.
Trying to discuss a fit with an FC currently running a fleet is usually pointless as they aren't paying attention to that, so bringing it up later is about the only option.

Par for the course in incursion communities.

I got sick of anchoring fleets with a RS due to FC's being the same way.

Many still stick with RS doesn't have enough dps. (( Old dps max was just over 900, now it's well over 1200 and more lands ))
Although that thought process was before drone damage upgrades and the cruise missile improvements.
With my perfect skills for the ship and 5% implants I was landing more dps than anyone in fleet since they rarely have the sp or implants to give anywhere near the all L5 numbers they claim.
Never lost a ship in a fleet that I was anchoring either. Can't take all that isk into account when going for max isk per hour/

Incursion communities are generally years out of date and lack basic sense at this point.

Same guy they want to help anchor the HQ is the same guy that could keep the losses of ships low in vg's too but they blow you off and then ask for help when they get to HQ's. Then act shocked when the missile users tell them to **** off. Similar stuff happens with navy scorpion pilots but it's not as shockingly bad.

Having mining drones (( you will see times when useful in vg's )) and armor repair to fix bleed through between fights doesn't mean anything to the FC's either.

The everyone in comp mode with tc's instead of tp's and web's to get done faster and actually helps competition if you are the first just flat out sucks.

I find with all the BS with incursions and actually calculating in all the wait times that I make more just running L4's if the mood for PvE hits me.

Incursion hay day was about 2 years ago, it's been all down hill since.
All the tears going around are funny though. I don't know why people keep popping the mom's.
It's not like you are blowing off vets in perfectly trained/fitted ships so that you can grab another noob in his faction fitted shiny that does a much worse job. Wait that is what they do. Let's go burn the Mom's and **** them out of income since we can make about the same (( Sometimes more)) just doing missions while they can barely complete them.

I figure I might as well weigh in, both my ships have better that 70% an all resists with OGB and a prop mod (Though it is not necessary for some fleets) and both use t2 large reps;

My scimi stats
Capacitor (Stable at 23.32%)
Repair rate 1536 /435.17 hp/s

My Oneiros Stats
Capacitor (Stable at 39.64%)
Repair rate 1536 /435.17 hp/s

So why would armor be at a disadvantage due to game mechanics. That is if both ships were piloted by someone competent. Of course armor FC's need to stop adding 1600 plates on everything and start using the fleet broadcast and early warnings already at their disposal.

Edit; added an Armor Mindlink to the OGB and Repair rate increased to 1536 / 504.51 hp/s

As an incursion FC if its not a standard logi fit i wont invite it

damn

I'm too stupid to use the forum

Interesting....... It seems your a bit bent about something. Have you seen a doctor about it?

oh im sorry, let me rephrase it:

if youre NOT fitting 4x large T2 reps on your PVE logi, then youre doing it wrong.

PS:
you dont even need a 1600 plate on an VG logi, let alone a T2 one.
you also dont need to be cap stable