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Problem with level 4 mission Raven UPDATED

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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-08-03 18:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
I've recently got a battleship with cruise missiles and tried out a level 4 mission. However I'm getting my arse kicked, they keep taking down my shields and I run out my capacitor. I also had to deal with some frigates but got a chunk of my drones shot up while trying to take them out. What am I doing wrong?

Arbalest' Cruise Launcher x6

Large Shield Extender II x1
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I x1
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II x2
Shield Boost Amplifier I x2
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II x1
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II x 2

Ballistic Control System I x3
Capacitor Flux Coil I x2

Large Capacitor Control Circuit Ix3

Hobgoblin Ix 5
Hammerhead Ix4
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-08-03 18:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Donbe Scurred
You're only two months old and already running lvl4s, without assistance/guidance. That is what you are doing wrong. Continue running level 3s and training your support skills or run LVL4s with a mentor.

How are your support skills for cap and shields?

Why is your corp not helping you?

The general rule of thumb is that you should have 1000dps combined tank and gank. How are your stats?

Flux coils are generally not recommended. Also, mixing of active/buffer tanks is generally not recommended.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-08-03 19:18:35 UTC
My skills for shields are:

Energy Grid Upgrades 3
Energy Management 3
Energy Systems Operation 3
Shield Emission Systems 2
Shield Management 3
Shield Operation 4
Shield Upgrades 4
Tactical shield manipulation 3

missiles:

Cruiser missiles: 1
Missile Bombardment 4
Missile Projection 4
Rapid Launch 3
Target Navigation Prediction 3
Warhead Upgrades 3

what should I try to improve?
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-08-03 19:25:19 UTC
All of themBig smile
I would concentrate on the energy and shield skills first.
Consider utilizing an MJD to gain range as a damage mitigation tactic.
stoicfaux
#5 - 2013-08-03 19:27:30 UTC
Some level 4 missions can quickly become overwhelming even for experienced mission runners. Which mission are you having trouble on? Are you using eve-survival to know what damage resists to use and how to manage triggers.

Get your weapon skills to at least IV asap.

As for your fit, you can replace all your cap mods with a single Cap Booster. Google 'eve eft' or "eve pyfa" for fitting tools. Google 'eve evemon' for a skill planning tool.

Ideally, you want to train towards something like this: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Raven_(Fitting)#Raven_a_la_Liang

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-08-03 19:41:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Hareka
Shield Emission Systems doesn't matter. It's for shield transporters (Logistics).

Get these as soon as possible:
Energy Systems Operation 5
Energy Management 4 (go for 5 later)
Shield Compensation 4
Shield Management 4
Shield Operation 5
Tactical Shield Manipulation 4 (for T2 active hardeners)
Cruise Missiles 4
Missile support skills to 4 (including Guided Missile Precision)
Weapon upgrades 4
T2 drones!

T1 drones have tank made of paper. Don't send drones to attack targets at long distance. Kill frigates with drones when they are orbiting you. As soon as NPCs switch to your drones recall them and wait before launching them again if needed. Don't keep your drones out if you don't need them.

And what guy above said about EVE Survival.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#7 - 2013-08-03 19:42:09 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Some level 4 missions can quickly become overwhelming even for experienced mission runners. Which mission are you having trouble on? Are you using eve-survival to know what damage resists to use and how to manage triggers.

Get your weapon skills to at least IV asap.

As for your fit, you can replace all your cap mods with a single Cap Booster. Google 'eve eft' or "eve pyfa" for fitting tools. Google 'eve evemon' for a skill planning tool.

Ideally, you want to train towards something like this: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Raven_(Fitting)#Raven_a_la_Liang


What he said, except that at low SP the cap booster is a recipe for death IMHO. Use it, but not till you have 4's in shield and missiles.

And forget the hammerheads. load 15 hobgoblins. Without augmentations and at level 1 hammerheads are garbage.

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and don't forget it

Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-08-03 19:45:13 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Some level 4 missions can quickly become overwhelming even for experienced mission runners. Which mission are you having trouble on? Are you using eve-survival to know what damage resists to use and how to manage triggers.

Get your weapon skills to at least IV asap.

As for your fit, you can replace all your cap mods with a single Cap Booster. Google 'eve eft' or "eve pyfa" for fitting tools. Google 'eve evemon' for a skill planning tool.

Ideally, you want to train towards something like this: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Raven_(Fitting)#Raven_a_la_Liang


What he said, except that at low SP the cap booster is a recipe for death IMHO. Use it, but not till you have 4's in shield and missiles.

And forget the hammerheads. load 15 hobgoblins. Without augmentations and at level 1 hammerheads are garbage.


I generally run with shield extenders and simply tank damage. But people seem to suggest that you can't passive tank on a battleship.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-08-03 19:50:45 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I generally run with shield extenders and simply tank damage. But people seem to suggest that you can't passive tank on a battleship.


You can with Rattlesnake and Scorpion Navy Issue (to certain point, has a lot better active tank than Rattlesnake).

But if you do passive tank these you're not going to do massive damage. Raven isn't good for passive tanking.
DSpite Culhach
#10 - 2013-08-03 19:53:05 UTC
as a general guideline:
* Install EveMon.
* Import your Raven, import your toon
* Compare the "all 5 skills" with yours, also Tech 2 the ship on a new fit and compare.

I did exactly what you did, and running missions was harsh, especially when sometimes you cant even break tank on special ships.

Eve is a massive numbers game, imho, in missions PvE, unless your at least doing 75% of an "all 5" you will struggle. Again, as a guideline. Even with a mid Drake fit, and patience, you can take a few hours and run an L4, its just painful.

I apparently have no idea what I'm doing.

Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-08-03 19:58:51 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I generally run with shield extenders and simply tank damage. But people seem to suggest that you can't passive tank on a battleship.


You can with Rattlesnake and Scorpion Navy Issue (to certain point, has a lot better active tank than Rattlesnake).

But if you do passive tank these you're not going to do massive damage. Raven isn't good for passive tanking.


thats why I'm trying to use this fitting which is based off the one on EVEuni but it doesn't appear to be working
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-08-03 20:04:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Hareka
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
I generally run with shield extenders and simply tank damage. But people seem to suggest that you can't passive tank on a battleship.


You can with Rattlesnake and Scorpion Navy Issue (to certain point, has a lot better active tank than Rattlesnake).

But if you do passive tank these you're not going to do massive damage. Raven isn't good for passive tanking.


thats why I'm trying to use this fitting which is based off the one on EVEuni but it doesn't appear to be working


http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Raven

That one with Large Shield Extender is PvP fit. PvP fits don't work in PvE even if mixed in PvE fits. Also those are base on old Raven.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-08-03 20:16:34 UTC
Donbe Scurred wrote:
Why is your corp not helping you?

Garak n00biachi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-08-03 20:23:10 UTC
Use a MJD and 99% of the npc's will never ever hit you....
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-08-03 20:23:19 UTC
I've looked through your post history and frankly, your rushing things a bit too much. That said, use Eveboard to post your character so we can take a look at your full skill set. I'll reserve giving further advice until then, even though you say you have cruise missile at 1 which is big giant red flag as far as flying a Raven is concerned.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-08-03 20:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Klymer wrote:
I've looked through your post history and frankly, your rushing things a bit too much. That said, use Eveboard to post your character so we can take a look at your full skill set. I'll reserve giving further advice until then, even though you say you have cruise missile at 1 which is big giant red flag as far as flying a Raven is concerned.


http://eveboard.com/pilot/Paul_Otichoda

The reason I'm rushing for level 4 missions because I'm really looking at that 40m an hour.
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-08-03 20:51:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tobias Hareka
I still remember that it took a lot of time for me to start soloing level 4s. Especially after losing my first battleship. I went back to level 3s and said to everyone "I will never do level 4s again.". After that I did level 3s in my trusty battlecruiser for 4 months. Sometimes helped others in level 4 by shooting small stuff they couldn't hit very well.
stoicfaux
#18 - 2013-08-03 21:55:36 UTC

Guide Missile Precision, that's really important for missiles.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Zaxix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-08-03 22:35:18 UTC
It looks like you're just underskilled for the support skillls and DPS augmentation skills that you need for a Raven. The energy/capacitor skills are some of the most important skills you'll ever train. You should get those as high as you can, as quickly as you can. Then shield skills. Then refine your missile skills. It looks like you haven't remapped yet, so once you get EVEmon going, you can map the ideal path to get all that done in the shortest time.

You'd probably get better results ISK-wise by using a drake and running L3s. With your current skills, the L4s probably take you forever, even when you are able to finish them. You'll get more ISK by running missions in less time if you drop down a level. Also, since you've fit a long range cruise setup on your Raven, it's critical that you enter every mission at range (when possible) or burn away from the NPCs to gain range once you land.

Good luck!

Bokononist

 

Ambusher Ituin
Roughneck Raiders
#20 - 2013-08-04 03:12:34 UTC
I ran a Caldari Navy Raven with T1 cruise missiles and a T2 tank, so I know what you're going through. All the advice above is pertinent and excellent. Here are some specific things to think about:

You'll not achieve 40m per hour until your tank and gank are much better. I often had to warp out of missions to repair shields or rebuild cap and right now you must have to do that 2 or 3 times a mission routinely. There's no ISK made during those intervals.

Once your skills are at functional levels, your tank can consist of an X-large shield booster, a shield boost amplifier, mission-specific hardeners, and adaptive invuls.

Your drone skills need work, including Drone V. Use only light scout drones on the frigs. Hammerheads, Valkyries, etc. are too slow and will get taken out until your skills are better.

Get to Security Connections III before running another mission. Security Connection levels contribute to better missions and better rewards for those missions. You need to do this, even if you step back to running L3 missions.

I think it's awesome that you're trying L4 missions so soon. The lack of immediate success just indicates that you need the patience to build your skill set.

Don't panic now … there'll be plenty of time to do that later.

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