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Skill training and UNReasonable things
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#81 - 2013-08-02 21:11:19 UTC
Welsige wrote:
You have the rigth to login into the game. Not the right to fill all the queue.

You may rent a Room, but to take a **** you gotta be in the room to do so.

Same logic.


I wouldnt be against a skill that would extend the queue from 24 to maybe 48 hours though.

Like a learning skill?

Heh

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#82 - 2013-08-03 03:29:48 UTC
"Don't increase the queue! We need to "trick" people into playing the game by forcing them to log in, instead of just playing when they feel like it. This game is so terrible there would be no one to play with if we let people log in when they actually want to log in."
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#83 - 2013-08-03 04:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
I don't understand peoples problems with the current skill queue timer. I'm a three month old char and the majority of the skills I am now training take 8+ days now anyway.

If I train a new skill I automatically train it to three and then wack a longer, time consuming skill on the end. Why is that such an issue for other people? (That's a serious question not a flame).

My next skill to train (I have 4 days left on my current one) will be Torpedoes V which is something like 20ish days I believe.

If myself, a 3 month old player, can work my skill queue so that it goes over 24 hours, why can't other, more experienced players? Even when I was in my first week ramming small skills in left, right and centre, I always filled my queue and always made sure it was over 24 hours each time I logged in. This still happens now. Log on, make sure skill queue is over 24 hours, play, log off. (Again, serious question).

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
Cauldron Asai
State War Academy
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-08-03 04:23:57 UTC
i'm just gonna say WOW.. um WHAT erm OK.. umm WHAT.. o yea WOW..
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#85 - 2013-08-03 06:04:17 UTC
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
"Don't increase the queue! We need to "trick" people into playing the game by forcing them to log in, instead of just playing when they feel like it. This game is so terrible there would be no one to play with if we let people log in when they actually want to log in."

Works for me, got a cyno and a batphone for BL? I hear a lone titan is going to log in to update his skillqueue.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Indica Dominant
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#86 - 2013-08-03 09:40:15 UTC
Klandi wrote:
In the recent "Reasonable things" it touches on skill training timers and the latest proposal is to increase them to 48/72 hrs.

What are you lot thinking with?

When you rent a place you do it for a period of time and you can then choose to do whatever within that time period, live in it, not live in it etc. - as you have paid for the right.

Skill training is EXACTLY the same. I have paid for a 3/6/12 month period - why can't I set the skill training period for the same time period?
Is it because I won't log in again?

I HAVE PAID FOR THE TIME PERIOD - I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SET THE SKILL TIMING PERIOD TO WHATEVER I WANT!!!

That last sentence are for the visually impaired and the idiots that covered their ears and went " la la la la la"

Yes I'm mad - no you can't have my stuff

Flame away


By your logic a "new" player could farm out some isk buy out the skills he plans to use and then set a 3/6/9/12 month skills plan and not log in again at all until it is finished. By preventing this CCP requires you to actually PLAY THE GAME.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#87 - 2013-08-03 12:09:33 UTC
A staggering number of people in this thread think "queue" is spelt "que".

Back to our regular schedule of people arguing with Tippia. :D

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#88 - 2013-08-03 12:44:04 UTC
OP, this is already implemented:

fill up your skill queue with skills < 24h place a skill with 48h at the end, voila 72h skill queue. You can even extend that with longer skill at the end and get like a 2 months skill queue !! NOW WAS THAT SO HARD OP? WAS IT?
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#89 - 2013-08-03 14:42:17 UTC
So here is a reasonable example to get you going with:

As this game (with the end game as it currently stands) CANNOT be played with one character, you want to train up another character to be your titan pilot - cos that's what you do in this game - right?

You open an account and find out it will take 267 days to be relatively competent in the titan of choice and it will take that long to get the mins/cash together to fit it out. But you want to make it up yourself so buying is out of the question.

Being a PROGRESSIVE and WELL PREPARED person that you are, you decide to save money and purchase a year's sub and start buying the skills.

Your objective is not to play the character but train it up - so this is where this concept would fit perfectly

So stop arguing and do it already

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#90 - 2013-08-03 14:56:21 UTC
How about a compromise. The skill queue isnt longer than 24 hours really. However like now if you put something thats 5 days over the limit you cna put one more skill on after that limit. So if you go away for 10 days you can put two 5 day skills on rahter that one 10 day skill.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#91 - 2013-08-03 14:59:51 UTC
Klandi wrote:
As this game (with the end game as it currently stands) CANNOT be played with one character, you want to train up another character to be your titan pilot - cos that's what you do in this game - right?

Right. And various cyno alts. And of course, if you are planning to join PL, numerous Black Legion spies.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#92 - 2013-08-03 17:12:54 UTC
Klandi wrote:
So here is a reasonable example to get you going with:

As this game (with the end game as it currently stands) CANNOT be played with one character, you want to train up another character to be your titan pilot - cos that's what you do in this game - right?

You open an account and find out it will take 267 days to be relatively competent in the titan of choice and it will take that long to get the mins/cash together to fit it out. But you want to make it up yourself so buying is out of the question.

Being a PROGRESSIVE and WELL PREPARED person that you are, you decide to save money and purchase a year's sub and start buying the skills.

Your objective is not to play the character but train it up - so this is where this concept would fit perfectly

So stop arguing and do it already

"end game"? cannot be played with one char? you need a titan? you are either some WOW victim or just a bad troll.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#93 - 2013-08-03 17:18:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Klandi wrote:
As this game (with the end game as it currently stands) CANNOT be played with one character
Are you entirely sure you want to go with two false premises as the basis of your argument?

Quote:
Your objective is not to play the character but train it up - so this is where this concept would fit perfectly
…but since you're going to be playing the game that whole time with your first character, logging in every now (very rarely, since we're talking about a whole bunch of high-rank skills here) and then to fiddle with the queue is something you'll do anyway. Taking 1 minute to do this rather than 30 seconds is such an insignificant difference that there's no real need to extend the queue and ruin the serendipitous gameplay it generates at its current length.

Also, being a progressive and well-prepared person, fitting this minute task into your weekly schedule is trivial for you.
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#94 - 2013-08-03 17:56:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Klandi
Touchè Tippia.
But I do stand on first statement. Relying on people to help you get around is something that few people will do more than 3 times (assuming carrier here). So then you MUST have an extra account. When you decide to supercap, you are committing a char for that so that is again the second account job

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Loretta Blake
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-08-03 18:09:27 UTC
Klandi wrote:
When you decide to supercap,


>2013
>Thinking a supercap is even anywhere NEAR endgame

ISHYGGDT
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#96 - 2013-08-03 18:15:03 UTC
So what ship symbolises near end game for Loretta?

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#97 - 2013-08-03 18:17:41 UTC
the endgame comment was proven by the recent dev graphs and subsequent write-ups that showed the most LIKELY time to quit the game was the purchase/acquisition of titan (a supercap)

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#98 - 2013-08-03 18:27:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Klandi wrote:
Touchè Tippia.
But I do stand on first statement. Relying on people to help you get around is something that few people will do more than 3 times (assuming carrier here). So then you MUST have an extra account. When you decide to supercap, you are committing a char for that so that is again the second account job

…but that's your (foolish) decision, not something you “must” do, and since they're largely alliance-level assets for strategic use, supercaps in and of themselves don't require a second account. And as mentioned, if you're getting a second account, logging in to switch skill queues on your parking alt is not a problem to begin with so the argument falls flat regardless.

So no, the game can be played with one character from beginning to end.

Quote:
So what ship symbolises near end game for Loretta?
None. What symbolises the “end game” is when the thought creeps into your mind that, “eh… I don't care what's in my queue because it doesn't particularly matter” — not some irrelevant detail such as a ship or a ship class.

…and I'm being generous there, because the concept of end-game kind of gets shot in the gut the instant it is left entirely up to you to decide. Tippia has reached her end-game three times by now (only one more left… maybe…).
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2013-08-03 18:31:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Your(foolish) decision,


Has consequence in Eve.

Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#100 - 2013-08-03 18:34:48 UTC
Klandi wrote:
Touchè Tippia.


Don't encourage it.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.