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CREST experimental access for the Alliance Tournament

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Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2013-08-03 16:19:01 UTC
this is awesome, you deserve much more likes !
Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#122 - 2013-08-04 14:36:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicen Jehr
Hey CCP QC, CCP Veritas et al.

Posting a suggestion from ATXI twitch chat via @Hyunasaraki

We love the battlespace simulator and would love to use it ourselves on TQ, for replays and such.

I understand that it's computationally expensive to produce the snapshots for the CREST endpoint. So let our clients do those calculations. Build a demo recorder that saves snapshots of the simulation as seen by the client. So we can save our fights and see self HP, watchlist HP, targeted hp, ewar effects, visible grid positions etc. Outputting one or more .json files containing the sequence of snapshots would make it easy for us to develop fun new battle analysis tools.

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#123 - 2013-08-04 16:24:40 UTC
Nicen Jehr wrote:
Hey CCP QC, CCP Veritas et al.

Posting a suggestion from ATXI twitch chat via @Hyunasaraki

We love the battlespace simulator and would love to use it ourselves on TQ, for replays and such.

I understand that it's computationally expensive to produce the snapshots for the CREST endpoint. So let our clients do those calculations. Build a demo recorder that saves snapshots of the simulation as seen by the client. So we can save our fights and see self HP, watchlist HP, targeted hp, ewar effects, visible grid positions etc. Outputting one or more .json files containing the sequence of snapshots would make it easy for us to develop fun new battle analysis tools.


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Steel Winters Stellar Enterprises
#124 - 2013-08-04 18:22:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rheddin
Altrue wrote:
Nicen Jehr wrote:
Hey CCP QC, CCP Veritas et al.

Posting a suggestion from ATXI twitch chat via @Hyunasaraki

We love the battlespace simulator and would love to use it ourselves on TQ, for replays and such.

I understand that it's computationally expensive to produce the snapshots for the CREST endpoint. So let our clients do those calculations. Build a demo recorder that saves snapshots of the simulation as seen by the client. So we can save our fights and see self HP, watchlist HP, targeted hp, ewar effects, visible grid positions etc. Outputting one or more .json files containing the sequence of snapshots would make it easy for us to develop fun new battle analysis tools.


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PLEASE. I see what he's getting at, the clients must have calculated the xyz positions of all teh objects for rendering, so spit those out + the status effects it is aware of. Would be awesome!
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C C P Alliance
#125 - 2013-08-04 20:38:30 UTC
I'll pass the suggestion along, trust me =)

I'd love to see that become reality.
Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#126 - 2013-08-04 20:47:22 UTC
CCP QC wrote:
I'll pass the suggestion along, trust me =)
I'd love to see that become reality.
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Kari Trace
#127 - 2013-08-05 15:58:03 UTC
The more of this type of CREST interfacing the better!
+1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1
Srsly, we need more of ~this~ type of interfacing.

I like making things explode.

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Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#128 - 2013-08-05 16:53:54 UTC
CCP QC wrote:
I'll pass the suggestion along, trust me =)

I'd love to see that become reality.


Lets make this a reality

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Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2013-08-06 23:09:20 UTC
The CREST displays in the ATXI were really cool. I can't wait to see this product in-game!
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#130 - 2013-08-07 01:25:29 UTC
The version on the official page seems to be down. Will it stay that way or will you keep updating it as you get better versions?

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Doomheim
#131 - 2013-08-07 11:18:03 UTC
Salpun wrote:
The version on the official page seems to be down. Will it stay that way or will you keep updating it as you get better versions?


Just put out a fix for it, should be working as it was during the tournament. Let us know if you guys find any more quirks.

http://community.eveonline.com/community/alliance-tournament/battlespace-simulator-xi/

Glad to see you guys enjoyed the webgl simulator. I love the idea of exporting more data for this tool to consume, +1 Nicen Jehr

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Nicen Jehr
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#132 - 2013-08-09 16:10:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicen Jehr
attn design:
to play devil's advocate, here are some concerns you might have with client-side demo recordings

- Some PCs might not be able to handle the volume of data generated
Probably not a concern except in enormous fights. Even then at least one person on each side likely has a powerful PC
If it doesn't scale, two possibilities to reduce the IO cost are:
1. Only save some subset of data (e.g. no drones, no ewar effects, only things <= 200km from me)
2. Drop some frames
Players can build the tools to combine different players' demos post-fight, even if they are individually incomplete

- Players might use the recordings instantly, mid-combat, to notice things they'd otherwise miss
I suppose you could delay writing the output, but then you'd be storing potentially a lot of data in memory
If these were real spaceships their computers would totally have the capability to analyze combat situations in real time
If I am able to see a web effect, my ship's sensors definitely can
Such analytics software might grant a small edge to those who employed it... but again, the demo is not showing the pilot any data that is not already visible on their screen. Not really any different from the various d-scan analysis or local analysis tools

- I honestly can't think of any other ways this could be 'bad'

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darako Olacar
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2013-08-16 15:01:57 UTC
The Ability to record flights and then make video's that look super awesome.

I want it.

I want it now.

I want it all.

GIMMIE, GIMMIE, GIMMIE!!!!!!!!!
Spurty
#134 - 2013-08-21 20:06:04 UTC
Someone sell me LOTS and LOTS of 'Round Tuits' as I'd love to play with this but I've not got the time !!

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Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#135 - 2013-08-21 20:22:04 UTC
darako Olacar wrote:
The Ability to record flights and then make video's that look super awesome.

I want it.

I want it now.

I want it all.

GIMMIE, GIMMIE, GIMMIE!!!!!!!!!


Maybe if we emo-rage, refuse to HTFU, and demand game time/ISK/PLEXs/free SP we'll get CREST faster? ;)

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