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Multiboxing softwares ruining pvp

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Dave Stark
#101 - 2013-08-03 10:41:39 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
If one guy can control a full ahac gang with a multiboxing software, that's pretty pay to win...


and how is that in any way different to an FC having a fleet full of competent people who listen to his commands?


It's not different in numbers, but if there is a fleet with players, and with an fc, they can make mistakes.

A software won't make mistakes if the guy using the software knows what hes doing.


if a member of a real fleet can make an error, so can a guy using a multiboxing software.
multiboxing software doesn't prevent people from making mistakes.

try again.
Dave Stark
#102 - 2013-08-03 10:43:06 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
imagine yourself in a fist fight against 3 guys, and agains 3 robots made of steel, programmed to kill. Different huh?


just trying to figure out if you're a troll, or genuinely unable to grasp how a comparison works.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#103 - 2013-08-03 10:43:40 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
If one guy can control a full ahac gang with a multiboxing software, that's pretty pay to win...


and how is that in any way different to an FC having a fleet full of competent people who listen to his commands?


It's not different in numbers, but if there is a fleet with players, and with an fc, they can make mistakes.

A software won't make mistakes if the guy using the software knows what hes doing.


if a member of a real fleet can make an error, so can a guy using a multiboxing software.
multiboxing software doesn't prevent people from making mistakes.

try again.


That is true, he can make mistakes too, that's why i said if he knows what to do. On top of that, hes alone, no disturbing factors etc.
Dave Stark
#104 - 2013-08-03 10:45:47 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
If one guy can control a full ahac gang with a multiboxing software, that's pretty pay to win...


and how is that in any way different to an FC having a fleet full of competent people who listen to his commands?


It's not different in numbers, but if there is a fleet with players, and with an fc, they can make mistakes.

A software won't make mistakes if the guy using the software knows what hes doing.


if a member of a real fleet can make an error, so can a guy using a multiboxing software.
multiboxing software doesn't prevent people from making mistakes.

try again.


That is true, he can make mistakes too, that's why i said if he knows what to do. On top of that, hes alone, no disturbing factors etc.


so, if he knows what to do, and every one in the other fleet knows what to do. how are those two situations in any way different?

if you're not going to compare two like for like situations, stop posting.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#105 - 2013-08-03 10:49:30 UTC
[/quote]

That is true, he can make mistakes too, that's why i said if he knows what to do. On top of that, hes alone, no disturbing factors etc.[/quote]

so, if he knows what to do, and every one in the other fleet knows what to do. how are those two situations in any way different?

if you're not going to compare two like for like situations, stop posting.[/quote]

I know pvp, I know fleet command, I'm usually taking fleets. My experience is, if I'm alone, I can be more efficient. If I'm in a fleet, I'm less efficient, because we are talking about people.
Dave Stark
#106 - 2013-08-03 10:53:22 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
I know pvp, I know fleet command, I'm usually taking fleets. My experience is, if I'm alone, I can be more efficient. If I'm in a fleet, I'm less efficient, because we are talking about people.


so really, what you're saying is "i fly with idiots and because every one i know is an idiot, i'm going to blame multiboxing software"?

right, so now we're getting to the real truth of the situation. it's not that multiboxing software ruins anything, it's that you're perpetually let down by your fleetmates.

i'm afraid your problem really isn't multiboxing software, it's your choice of company within the game.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2013-08-03 10:58:19 UTC
Why is it against the rules to have bot mining, but not bot fleets? I can see that you need to be logged on to control the fleet, but it's a fleet of bots? I'm starting to see hypocrisy, or at least inconsistencies in how things are ruled "O.K. to do", and "not O.K. to do."

Watch this space.  New exciting signature in development.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#108 - 2013-08-03 11:00:06 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I know pvp, I know fleet command, I'm usually taking fleets. My experience is, if I'm alone, I can be more efficient. If I'm in a fleet, I'm less efficient, because we are talking about people.


so really, what you're saying is "i fly with idiots and because every one i know is an idiot, i'm going to blame multiboxing software"?

right, so now we're getting to the real truth of the situation. it's not that multiboxing software ruins anything, it's that you're perpetually let down by your fleetmates.

i'm afraid your problem really isn't multiboxing software, it's your choice of company within the game.



I'm not talking about idiotism. Most of my fleetmates, or my fleet members are good pvpers, but they are human, they are asking, they are talking, they are making noises, they are making mistakes, they are giving false infos sometimes etc etc. They can't be disciplined all the time, they can't behave like robots all the time, there is a factor that can mess things up, which factor is they are all human.
Dave Stark
#109 - 2013-08-03 11:02:34 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I know pvp, I know fleet command, I'm usually taking fleets. My experience is, if I'm alone, I can be more efficient. If I'm in a fleet, I'm less efficient, because we are talking about people.


so really, what you're saying is "i fly with idiots and because every one i know is an idiot, i'm going to blame multiboxing software"?

right, so now we're getting to the real truth of the situation. it's not that multiboxing software ruins anything, it's that you're perpetually let down by your fleetmates.

i'm afraid your problem really isn't multiboxing software, it's your choice of company within the game.



I'm not talking about idiotism. Most of my fleetmates, or my fleet members are good pvpers, but they are human, they are asking, they are talking, they are making noises, they are making mistakes, they are giving false infos sometimes etc etc. They can't be disciplined all the time, they can't behave like robots all the time, there is a factor that can mess things up, which factor is they are all human.


guess who else is human? the guy with the multiboxing software.

he doesn't behave like a robot either, hence nor do any of the ships in his fleet. essentially making his entire fleet human, too.

hence, there is no difference and multiboxing is not ruining pvp.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#110 - 2013-08-03 11:06:18 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I know pvp, I know fleet command, I'm usually taking fleets. My experience is, if I'm alone, I can be more efficient. If I'm in a fleet, I'm less efficient, because we are talking about people.


so really, what you're saying is "i fly with idiots and because every one i know is an idiot, i'm going to blame multiboxing software"?

right, so now we're getting to the real truth of the situation. it's not that multiboxing software ruins anything, it's that you're perpetually let down by your fleetmates.

i'm afraid your problem really isn't multiboxing software, it's your choice of company within the game.



I'm not talking about idiotism. Most of my fleetmates, or my fleet members are good pvpers, but they are human, they are asking, they are talking, they are making noises, they are making mistakes, they are giving false infos sometimes etc etc. They can't be disciplined all the time, they can't behave like robots all the time, there is a factor that can mess things up, which factor is they are all human.


guess who else is human? the guy with the multiboxing software.

he doesn't behave like a robot either, hence nor do any of the ships in his fleet. essentially making his entire fleet human, too.

hence, there is no difference and multiboxing is not ruining pvp.



Then let him control 30 accounts without a 3rd party software, let me see how human he can be.

Using these multiboxing softwares basically questioning if we can talk about EVE, or any other MMO, as an MMO. (which means massively multiPLAYER online)
Dave Stark
#111 - 2013-08-03 11:09:53 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
I know pvp, I know fleet command, I'm usually taking fleets. My experience is, if I'm alone, I can be more efficient. If I'm in a fleet, I'm less efficient, because we are talking about people.


so really, what you're saying is "i fly with idiots and because every one i know is an idiot, i'm going to blame multiboxing software"?

right, so now we're getting to the real truth of the situation. it's not that multiboxing software ruins anything, it's that you're perpetually let down by your fleetmates.

i'm afraid your problem really isn't multiboxing software, it's your choice of company within the game.



I'm not talking about idiotism. Most of my fleetmates, or my fleet members are good pvpers, but they are human, they are asking, they are talking, they are making noises, they are making mistakes, they are giving false infos sometimes etc etc. They can't be disciplined all the time, they can't behave like robots all the time, there is a factor that can mess things up, which factor is they are all human.


guess who else is human? the guy with the multiboxing software.

he doesn't behave like a robot either, hence nor do any of the ships in his fleet. essentially making his entire fleet human, too.

hence, there is no difference and multiboxing is not ruining pvp.



Then let him control 30 accounts without a 3rd party software, let me see how human he can be.

Using these multiboxing softwares basically questioning if we can talk about EVE, or any other MMO, as an MMO. (which means massively multiPLAYER online)


exactly as human as he was before. installing a piece of software doesn't make you a robot.

of course we can, he's not multiboxing both fleets. you could just admit that you're wrong, it'd save a lot of time.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#112 - 2013-08-03 11:13:32 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
exactly as human as he was before. installing a piece of software doesn't make you a robot.

of course we can, he's not multiboxing both fleets. you could just admit that you're wrong, it'd save a lot of time.


I'm not planning to admit that I'm wrong, so maybe you should save your precious time.
Dave Stark
#113 - 2013-08-03 11:16:09 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
exactly as human as he was before. installing a piece of software doesn't make you a robot.

of course we can, he's not multiboxing both fleets. you could just admit that you're wrong, it'd save a lot of time.


I'm not planning to admit that I'm wrong, so maybe you should save your precious time.


i'm well aware, and i'm more than content to poke a finger in every hole in your arguments (of which, there are many).

continue.
Obunagawe
#114 - 2013-08-03 11:17:42 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
exactly as human as he was before. installing a piece of software doesn't make you a robot.

of course we can, he's not multiboxing both fleets. you could just admit that you're wrong, it'd save a lot of time.


I'm not planning to admit that I'm wrong, so maybe you should save your precious time.


Noone ever admits they're wrong these days, it's ******* pathetic. You'd rather go down with your whole ******** ship of an argument.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#115 - 2013-08-03 11:40:55 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
exactly as human as he was before. installing a piece of software doesn't make you a robot.

of course we can, he's not multiboxing both fleets. you could just admit that you're wrong, it'd save a lot of time.


I'm not planning to admit that I'm wrong, so maybe you should save your precious time.


i'm well aware, and i'm more than content to poke a finger in every hole in your arguments (of which, there are many).

continue.


You are very welcome, that's why we are here, to talk.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#116 - 2013-08-03 11:56:59 UTC
By allowing multiboxing software people extra motivated to get several accounts.
After some time more people will do the same which in turn increases the amount of subscriptions, which is good news to give to the investors.

So unless alot of people get fed up with allowing this 3rd party software ( which is a botting tool in my oppinion ) and ccp losses more subscriptions because of it then they gain they will not ban it.
Dave Stark
#117 - 2013-08-03 11:59:49 UTC
Daisai wrote:
( which is a botting tool in my oppinion )


just a shame that your opinion is wrong.
Daisai
Daisai Investments.
#118 - 2013-08-03 12:02:15 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Daisai wrote:
( which is a botting tool in my oppinion )


just a shame that your opinion is wrong.


Its not wrong, its what i consider a bot and what the software does.
To bad there are people like you who are not proper informed on what the software does.
Dave Stark
#119 - 2013-08-03 12:04:17 UTC
Daisai wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Daisai wrote:
( which is a botting tool in my oppinion )


just a shame that your opinion is wrong.


Its not wrong, its what i consider a bot and what the software does.
To bad there are people like you who are not proper informed on what the software does.


and if i considered the sky pink, i'd still be wrong. such is the case here.
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#120 - 2013-08-03 12:06:57 UTC
Daisai wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Daisai wrote:
( which is a botting tool in my oppinion )


just a shame that your opinion is wrong.


Its not wrong, its what i consider a bot and what the software does.
To bad there are people like you who are not proper informed on what the software does.


I consider you to be a complete moron, if you really knew what the software was about, you wouldn't make the claim above.

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