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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#81 - 2013-08-03 03:31:47 UTC
Ok, from now on, I won't reply to dumb posts.

If you don't have the brain to think about what I say, then get lost, and don't post here.

If you are afraid, because banning multiboxing software puts your mining fleet in danger, get lost.


And I say again and again and again:

The problem is not dual or triple or multiboxing IF A PLAYER DOES IT.

The problem is dual or triple or multiboxing IF A 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE DOES IT FOR THE PLAYER.


I won't say this again, and I will just ignore dumb posts.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-08-03 03:37:24 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Ok, from now on, I won't reply to dumb posts.

If you don't have the brain to think about what I say, then get lost, and don't post here.

If you are afraid, because banning multiboxing software puts your mining fleet in danger, get lost.


And I say again and again and again:

The problem is not dual or triple or multiboxing IF A PLAYER DOES IT.

The problem is dual or triple or multiboxing IF A 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE DOES IT FOR THE PLAYER.


I won't say this again, and I will just ignore dumb posts.


So I assume you're going to ignore your own posting from now on? May I suggest that you do not post at all? Thanks in advance.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2013-08-03 03:50:06 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
The problem is dual or triple or multiboxing IF A 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE DOES IT FOR THE PLAYER.


BY THE GODS NOT THIS AGAIN!

last thread on this issue descended into a cyclic redundancy error before CCP locked the damn thing.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#84 - 2013-08-03 06:01:10 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
The problem is dual or triple or multiboxing IF A 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE DOES IT FOR THE PLAYER.

BY THE GODS NOT THIS AGAIN!

last thread on this issue descended into a cyclic redundancy error before CCP locked the damn thing.

Did CCP ban isboxer, is that what this is about?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#85 - 2013-08-03 06:14:05 UTC
Quote:
I think you should be ashamed, because of not reading and understanding everything , and barking.

That 4 account "fleet" was just an example, hes usually using 15-20 accounts at the same time.

And ofc if you have better things to do, do your better things instead of insulting me.


Please do explain. You have 2 accounts he has 20. Anyone with 3, 4, or more that knows how to use em can completely blob you and own you. So your situation is relevant to 20 using accounts multiboxing software how exactly?

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#86 - 2013-08-03 06:26:58 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
I think you should be ashamed, because of not reading and understanding everything , and barking.

That 4 account "fleet" was just an example, hes usually using 15-20 accounts at the same time.

And ofc if you have better things to do, do your better things instead of insulting me.


Please do explain. You have 2 accounts he has 20. Anyone with 3, 4, or more that knows how to use em can completely blob you and own you. So your situation is relevant to 20 using accounts multiboxing software how exactly?

Can I use a 5 account "fleet" as an example?

What about 5 player fleet?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
MacKael
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-08-03 06:40:44 UTC
I love the guy in GSF that multis like 8 bombers at a time, even though he loves more then he kills I still find him funny.
MacKael
Perkone
Caldari State
#88 - 2013-08-03 06:42:00 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
The problem is dual or triple or multiboxing IF A 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE DOES IT FOR THE PLAYER.

BY THE GODS NOT THIS AGAIN!

last thread on this issue descended into a cyclic redundancy error before CCP locked the damn thing.

Did CCP ban isboxer, is that what this is about?



Not yet but they should.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#89 - 2013-08-03 06:54:28 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
I think you should be ashamed, because of not reading and understanding everything , and barking.

That 4 account "fleet" was just an example, hes usually using 15-20 accounts at the same time.

And ofc if you have better things to do, do your better things instead of insulting me.


Please do explain. You have 2 accounts he has 20. Anyone with 3, 4, or more that knows how to use em can completely blob you and own you. So your situation is relevant to 20 using accounts multiboxing software how exactly?

Can I use a 5 account "fleet" as an example?

What about 5 player fleet?


A 5 player fleet is different, coz it's player controlled, every single ship.

I don't have any problem with that.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#90 - 2013-08-03 06:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: TKL HUN
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
I think you should be ashamed, because of not reading and understanding everything , and barking.

That 4 account "fleet" was just an example, hes usually using 15-20 accounts at the same time.

And ofc if you have better things to do, do your better things instead of insulting me.


Please do explain. You have 2 accounts he has 20. Anyone with 3, 4, or more that knows how to use em can completely blob you and own you. So your situation is relevant to 20 using accounts multiboxing software how exactly?



The difference is, that I can control my 2 accounts on 2 monitors at the same time.

He can't do this with 20 accounts, so he must use a 3rd party software, and that is the advantage that noone should have.

Ofc if he can control 4 at the same time WITHOUT a 3rd party software, that's okay for me.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#91 - 2013-08-03 07:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
TKL HUN wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
I think you should be ashamed, because of not reading and understanding everything , and barking.

That 4 account "fleet" was just an example, hes usually using 15-20 accounts at the same time.

And ofc if you have better things to do, do your better things instead of insulting me.


Please do explain. You have 2 accounts he has 20. Anyone with 3, 4, or more that knows how to use em can completely blob you and own you. So your situation is relevant to 20 using accounts multiboxing software how exactly?



The difference is, that I can control my 2 accounts on 2 monitors at the same time.

He can't do this with 20 accounts, so he must use a 3rd party software, and that is the advantage that noone should have.

Ofc if he can control 4 at the same time WITHOUT a 3rd party software, that's okay for me.


And thats what I am telling you, that many many people can. So its not ruining your "pvp experience" at all. I play with multiple people that do. I used to do it myself.

Also, an advantage is something that is not available to every person. The software is available to you so its not an advantage. Its something that you choose not to do, not something that you cannot.

Example, a pro fighter uses steroids and wins a fight, he is cheating. It is against the rules and he is using something not avilable to everyone.

A pro fighter goes to the store and buys a nutritional supplement and uses it. You choose not to use that supplement and get your ass handed to you in the ring. No cheating happened.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#92 - 2013-08-03 08:10:04 UTC  |  Edited by: TKL HUN
Cipher Jones wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Quote:
I think you should be ashamed, because of not reading and understanding everything , and barking.

That 4 account "fleet" was just an example, hes usually using 15-20 accounts at the same time.

And ofc if you have better things to do, do your better things instead of insulting me.


Please do explain. You have 2 accounts he has 20. Anyone with 3, 4, or more that knows how to use em can completely blob you and own you. So your situation is relevant to 20 using accounts multiboxing software how exactly?



The difference is, that I can control my 2 accounts on 2 monitors at the same time.

He can't do this with 20 accounts, so he must use a 3rd party software, and that is the advantage that noone should have.

Ofc if he can control 4 at the same time WITHOUT a 3rd party software, that's okay for me.


And thats what I am telling you, that many many people can. So its not ruining your "pvp experience" at all. I play with multiple people that do. I used to do it myself.

Also, an advantage is something that is not available to every person. The software is available to you so its not an advantage. Its something that you choose not to do, not something that you cannot.

Example, a pro fighter uses steroids and wins a fight, he is cheating. It is against the rules and he is using something not avilable to everyone.

A pro fighter goes to the store and buys a nutritional supplement and uses it. You choose not to use that supplement and get your ass handed to you in the ring. No cheating happened.



That is not what ruining the pvp. If someone controls 4 accs on hes own, that's more like an advantage to me, because he will make mistakes.

But I know he was using a multiboxing software, he does it all the time, that what's ruining the pvp.

And ofc it's available for anyone, you are right with that, it's true, but not everyone can afford to use it.

Why should people play EVE outside of EVE, with their wallet or hardware?

Edit: And you know what? I like if someone using 2-3 or 4 accs, if HE IS THE ONE using it, because people make mistakes, bad decisions, etc. That is what makes PVP. Not a software.
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-08-03 09:21:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Inokuma Yawara
I've been reading through many of the replies in this thread. It made me think this: Isn't being able to multi-box a form of pay to win? What if the other player can't buy multi-boxes or afford the software solution either. Some can't even afford a second EVE account. So, isn't that the same as play to win items for sale in the NEX?

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2013-08-03 09:57:42 UTC
MacKael wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
The problem is dual or triple or multiboxing IF A 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE DOES IT FOR THE PLAYER.

BY THE GODS NOT THIS AGAIN!

last thread on this issue descended into a cyclic redundancy error before CCP locked the damn thing.

Did CCP ban isboxer, is that what this is about?



Not yet but they should.

oh man not this again...


explain why.

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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#95 - 2013-08-03 10:00:55 UTC
Inokuma Yawara wrote:
I've been reading through many of the replies in this thread. It made me think this: Isn't being able to multi-box a form of pay to win? What if the other player can't buy multi-boxes or afford the software solution either. Some can't even afford a second EVE account. So, isn't that the same as play to win items for sale in the NEX?


it's kind of a pay to win situation if you can use a multiboxing software imo, and I think that is bad, because in situations like this, PVP will lose it's essence, where player skills (in game and out game) should make the difference.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#96 - 2013-08-03 10:03:54 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
MacKael wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
The problem is dual or triple or multiboxing IF A 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE DOES IT FOR THE PLAYER.

BY THE GODS NOT THIS AGAIN!

last thread on this issue descended into a cyclic redundancy error before CCP locked the damn thing.

Did CCP ban isboxer, is that what this is about?



Not yet but they should.

oh man not this again...


explain why.



Explained in #95
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2013-08-03 10:15:03 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Explained in #95

oh that. well considering that multiboxing barely works on pvp beyond derp fleets, due to the amount of coordination necessary I can't see how it's pay to win.

also as far as mining goes, it becomes a bit of a logistical nightmare when you have to manage a crapload of accounts and plex them.


so in the end multiboxing is a very inefficient way of p2w.

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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#98 - 2013-08-03 10:31:45 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Explained in #95

oh that. well considering that multiboxing barely works on pvp beyond derp fleets, due to the amount of coordination necessary I can't see how it's pay to win.

also as far as mining goes, it becomes a bit of a logistical nightmare when you have to manage a crapload of accounts and plex them.


so in the end multiboxing is a very inefficient way of p2w.



If one guy can control a full ahac gang with a multiboxing software, that's pretty pay to win...
Dave Stark
#99 - 2013-08-03 10:34:28 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
If one guy can control a full ahac gang with a multiboxing software, that's pretty pay to win...


and how is that in any way different to an FC having a fleet full of competent people who listen to his commands?
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#100 - 2013-08-03 10:39:45 UTC  |  Edited by: TKL HUN
Dave Stark wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
If one guy can control a full ahac gang with a multiboxing software, that's pretty pay to win...


and how is that in any way different to an FC having a fleet full of competent people who listen to his commands?


It's not different in numbers, but if there is a fleet with players, and with an fc, they can make mistakes.

A software won't make mistakes if the guy using the software knows what hes doing.

imagine yourself in a fist fight against 3 guys, trying to kill, and against 3 robots made of steel, programmed to kill. Different huh?