Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Okay lets just ignore the bumping of miners and industrial players, and lets just ignore these details.

lets just use the tools the game offers that require some sort of skill or currency to obtain.
and while trying to obtain these skills or currency to obtain needed skills gonna be bumped and harassed.

CONCORD doesn't, shouldn't, and won't pod. If a pod is pushing you you're doing it wrong.

You should kill them, OP.

Kill them all.

Get out of your little mining ship, and fit a combat vessel, and blow them to hell.

Orbit your asteroids and fit a tank. Get out of that Retriever and into something with some HP.

Also, I can promise you that these people do not operate everywhere in hisec, nor are they really all that active. You're just in the wrong place. Move somewhere else.

an attempted gank invokes concord... (as does them ganking you) so you doubly lose..




If you are stood at a bus stop, for the same of arguement, and someone is boucing into you, you have a right either defend yourself, or to invoke charges against that person for assault.. at very least the local law enforcement will turn up and deal with the person commiting the crime (harassment, public order, whichever you want) they wont however, turn around and say "actually, he has a right to harass you, you can go to another bus stop.." will they..


so what is the difference.

So does a successful one. So don't attempt it, do it.

I didn't say to try and kill them, I said kill them. Find them in their ships when they're not rolling around irritating miners; gank them and step on their fun for once.

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The difference is that EVE is a game where bumping into people isn't against the rules. Stop comparing EVE to RL and you'll have a lot more fun. I don't get to go outside the city limits and pop a cap in someone's ass scott free RL, either.

i was once a little ole miner in highsec getting pushed around like yourself. now i have tons of isk and experience. but guess what it wasnt any easier for me at the time. sorry to say its not gonna get handed to you on a platter. plenty of ways to make isk in highsec that dont involve getting bumped while mining. and quite frankly considering how broken nullsec industry and mining is i could not care less that highsec miners ONLY have to deal with bumping.

This post seriously sounds like an advertisement for The New Order. Is the OP an alt of James 315?

This is probably a troll thread, but I can't help myself (mostly because some newbie will stumble upon and actually think there is nothing he/she can do and the OP is actually correct when it isn't)...


There are ways to defeat/mitigate gankers, bumpers, etc.

To defeat/mitigate gankers...

- Fit a tank: I'm not talking about shield boosters... that doesn't matter in high-sec ganks. Fit buffer and resistances (pro-tip: the Procurer and Skiff excel at this). Yes, you take a hit in terms of mining efficiency, but that's the price you pay for safety.
Now, will you be immune to ganking? Nope. But you do make you a VERY undesirable target especially compared to others who usually have no tank.

- Get support: with friends, anything is possible. You can fit a Siege Warfare link on an Orca to boost shield resistances (adding to the tank of everyone in fleet). Getting even a logi frigate or Tech 1 cruiser (or the Orca) to permanently rep you as you mine will help. Both throw the probability of survival more in your favor.

- Isk tank: fit out a cheapo mining barge (Retriever, Covetor, etc), fit it with cheap stuff, insure it, and then mine away. The idea is that you mine and earn more ISK than you lose... which is completely possible with insurance. Granted, insurance won't cover the whole cost of buying a new ship or buy back your modules... but if you aren't earning enough ISK to cover that small gap then you're doing something wrong.

- Be hard to find: asteroids aren't only found in belts you know. You can find them in missions and ore sites. Granted, the latter can be scanned down by everyone without the use of probes (which the former does require), but as long as you stay far enough away off the warp in point it's nearly impossible for gankers to land right on top of you... giving you ample time to warp off.


To defeat/mitigate bumping...

- Orbit: closely orbiting (or moving at all) around an asteroid makes it very difficult to get a proper bump on you. If you think that orbiting doesn't make bumping harder then I invite you to jump into a Stabber and try it for yourself. It's not as easy as it looks.

- Sit in asteroid clusters: this requires some slight finesse on your part... but squeezing your barge into a cluster of rocks will make it VERY hard to set up a good bumping run.

- (again) Be hard to find: asteroids aren't only found in belts you know. You can find them in missions and ore sites. Granted, the latter can be scanned down by everyone but as long as you stay far enough away off the warp in point (and are are employing the above tactics) it's nearly impossible for bumpers to land right on top of you.


Again... the idea isn't to stop people from ganking or bumping (it's impossible to do either without running into problems or loopholes larger than my ex's mouth)... the idea is to make yourself an undesirable target compared to everyone else.


For disclosure: I have an alt that does mine in high-sec and I do practice what I preach. When the New Order swung around my area I didn't have any problems.

This, lots of missions have asteroid belts you can mine. Run the mission, kill the rats, come back in barges, mine the rocks (where these boners can't find you unless they pop out probes) then go on to the next mission. You'll probably earn more isk too and gain standings to do things like anchor a POS to try your hand at invention....

Christ, I should charge isk for this advice.

Oh, and like Shah I have an alt that has been known to mine...when the new order show up, I like smacking with them and annoying them. I set up warp points around the belt so that I make them work for any bump they might be lucky to get. I land near a rock, start mining while aligning out, then when they warp in close off I go to the warp out, and immediately align to a new one to then head to a new rock. After awhile they get bored and I have fun making them bored.

Actually there are already low slot modules that kind of do that, ie armor plates. It would be funny to see a mining barge or an Itty 5 loaded out with armor plates to give it a rediculous high mass! I think I'll have to try that next time I log on! I'll name the ship "Bump me, please!" I think this is a brilliant plan. Anyone else want to try it out as well?