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High-Sec Cancer

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Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-08-02 21:04:44 UTC
Hello Eve,

Something has come to my attention and is quite disturbing.
The New Order.

Know about them or not, they are THE issue of High Security space. Regardless that 10million ISK is an easy feat to obtain.
This is somewhat of a recent development, but while GOONS and TEST are slugging it out or doing whatever they are doing, The New Order is coming in under the radar and taking over High Security space.

Some see this 10million ISK for a year, an okay ideal. But this is simply extortion of in-game currency for privileges and for some we pay our money our real life money that we have worked for.
For a really good example of what is happening now, reference the history of the world, how many wars have been fought and bleed for, over someone trying to make a profit that is inhuman for one person to posses.
War is a natural state or mechanic of Eve, but this New Order Mechanic is not acceptable by an logic or reasoning.

Their are numerous reports of the New Order Tyranny, that have disrupted the natural state of gaming experience that is Eve.
Even if CCP as acknowledge this a "natural" mechanic this is simple bullshit.
Hence applied link https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=239345

The bare minimum solution is a legitimate undesirable consequence from bumping any of the Mining ship classes the Industry ship classes and Hauling ship classes which retain to, the Mining Barges both T1 and T2 class including the mining frigate, the Industry ship including all the faction haulers, Badger, Badger MkII, all 5 of the Iterons, the Sigle and Bestower, the 3 of the Minmitar ships, as well as the T2 versions and the faction version of named ships. This will include freighter of the capital ship classes.

Think about it honestly, for those of use that are Miners new and or old, this is how we play Eve and this is what we pay for with our real life currency, in-game currency and most important of all our time. The New Order is a disruption of the natural flow of Eve, Even if its seen a part of the game or game mechanic .
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#2 - 2013-08-02 21:39:18 UTC
Don't worry about it, they kind of suck at ganks anyway.

And Goon kind of is aware given they are lead by a Goon.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2013-08-02 21:42:32 UTC
So shoot them.
Shiera Kuni
Electric Machete
#4 - 2013-08-02 21:45:59 UTC
I was about to point the way to Crime and Punishment but I see you've already found it. Also, I don't see you actually proposing any kind of feature or idea to implement soooo, I can only assume this is a whine rant to get more attention to someone who is using in-game mechanics and extorting/racketeering/what-have-you people, which is something CCP has never tried to stop in the past. Unless you have a legitimate reason for changing current mechanics AND are able to propose a viable change TO said mechanics, you really should keep it in C&P or GD forums.

CCP Falcon:  This thread is terrible.

Luc Chastot
#5 - 2013-08-02 21:46:59 UTC
I'm sure you will someday realize the type of game you're playing and will then react accordingly.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-08-02 21:47:47 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
Hello Eve,

Something has come to my attention and is quite disturbing.
The New Order.

Know about them or not, they are THE issue of High Security space. Regardless that 10million ISK is an easy feat to obtain.
This is somewhat of a recent development, but while GOONS and TEST are slugging it out or doing whatever they are doing, The New Order is coming in under the radar and taking over High Security space.

Some see this 10million ISK for a year, an okay ideal. But this is simply extortion of in-game currency for privileges and for some we pay our money our real life money that we have worked for.
For a really good example of what is happening now, reference the history of the world, how many wars have been fought and bleed for, over someone trying to make a profit that is inhuman for one person to posses.
War is a natural state or mechanic of Eve, but this New Order Mechanic is not acceptable by an logic or reasoning.

Their are numerous reports of the New Order Tyranny, that have disrupted the natural state of gaming experience that is Eve.
Even if CCP as acknowledge this a "natural" mechanic this is simple bullshit.
Hence applied link https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=239345

The bare minimum solution is a legitimate undesirable consequence from bumping any of the Mining ship classes the Industry ship classes and Hauling ship classes which retain to, the Mining Barges both T1 and T2 class including the mining frigate, the Industry ship including all the faction haulers, Badger, Badger MkII, all 5 of the Iterons, the Sigle and Bestower, the 3 of the Minmitar ships, as well as the T2 versions and the faction version of named ships. This will include freighter of the capital ship classes.

Think about it honestly, for those of use that are Miners new and or old, this is how we play Eve and this is what we pay for with our real life currency, in-game currency and most important of all our time. The New Order is a disruption of the natural flow of Eve, Even if its seen a part of the game or game mechanic .


Your wall of text has very little content. I think it can be summed up with "I pay money to play this game, and these guys disturb me."
KnightHawk cosmos
One Legged Space Chickens
Electronic Control Monkeys
#7 - 2013-08-02 21:59:45 UTC
The feature i would love to see is if said bumper repeatedly follows you are from belt to belt or system to system there should be an allowed recourse without CCP intervention by concord, like lets say you can target them and destroy there ship perhaps...
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2013-08-02 22:02:53 UTC
KnightHawk cosmos wrote:
The feature i would love to see is if said bumper repeatedly follows you are from belt to belt or system to system there should be an allowed recourse without CCP intervention by concord, like lets say you can target them and destroy there ship perhaps...



because that would never, ever be abused to kill all of the miners, right? Roll
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-08-02 22:05:40 UTC
Ganking, has the cause and effect of you gank someone in Hi-sec you lose that ship by concord along with the lose of status.

Miner bumping, no consequence to the person doing the bumping.

With my "wall of text" this is simply what im saying.
is this not a gref?
is this not a game mechanic that is being left alone, due to players not looking at it in serious proportions.
Even as an non-AFK miner and still getting bumped and bumped to the point where you cant warp out to dock and log off. is that not an issue of its own where the New Order is creating such issues?
getting bumped and harassed for ISK by these bumpers is not an issue when simply trying to play a game and the player has to find a solution to p;lay without having to pay yet another person.
Might as well not play at all if im going to be paying more than just CCP.
Ix Method
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-08-02 22:09:34 UTC
Maybe you could move?

Travelling at the speed of love.

ninjaholic
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-08-02 22:10:54 UTC
High-sec problems. Why're you in a player corp if you don't want to risk the consequences of high-sec extortion? Join a corp that's able to do something about it and have some fun showing them the pod express way to the failboat.

Support Eve's own built-in Battle-Recorder!

Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-08-02 22:12:09 UTC
Lets Play a game that i pay a sub for every month then lets pay these people in the game to not be harassed and bumped.
If i dont pay them i dont get to play the game how i want to play Eve and if i cant play Eve how i want, then i guess CCP created a game that i dont want to pay for or play and that i would never recommend this game to my friends family co-workers and any for of social media.
So while the New Order takes over and not only are we paying CCP to play this game we the players are also paying other players to play this game... which those players have no entitlement to the game payment as CCP dose.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#13 - 2013-08-02 22:13:01 UTC
No, it's not griefing. Just go to another belt or system and if they keep following you around THEN it might be griefing. But you know this anyway.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-08-02 22:13:10 UTC
Ix Method wrote:
Maybe you could move?


thats such a great idea... (troll troll troll troll)
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-08-02 22:13:48 UTC
Zappity wrote:
No, it's not griefing. Just go to another belt or system and if they keep following you around THEN it might be griefing. But you know this anyway.


how can you warp when being bumped?
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-08-02 22:15:24 UTC
ninjaholic wrote:
High-sec problems. Why're you in a player corp if you don't want to risk the consequences of high-sec extortion? Join a corp that's able to do something about it and have some fun showing them the pod express way to the failboat.



not like i know anybody that has the "muscle" for such activity and most cases are you have to fallow their likeness and fallow their doctrines to be in that corp.
why go a to merc corp to be a merc when i want to be a miner?
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-08-02 22:16:32 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
Snow Fauls wrote:
Hello Eve,

Something has come to my attention and is quite disturbing.
The New Order.

Know about them or not, they are THE issue of High Security space. Regardless that 10million ISK is an easy feat to obtain.
This is somewhat of a recent development, but while GOONS and TEST are slugging it out or doing whatever they are doing, The New Order is coming in under the radar and taking over High Security space.

Some see this 10million ISK for a year, an okay ideal. But this is simply extortion of in-game currency for privileges and for some we pay our money our real life money that we have worked for.
For a really good example of what is happening now, reference the history of the world, how many wars have been fought and bleed for, over someone trying to make a profit that is inhuman for one person to posses.
War is a natural state or mechanic of Eve, but this New Order Mechanic is not acceptable by an logic or reasoning.

Their are numerous reports of the New Order Tyranny, that have disrupted the natural state of gaming experience that is Eve.
Even if CCP as acknowledge this a "natural" mechanic this is simple bullshit.
Hence applied link https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=239345

The bare minimum solution is a legitimate undesirable consequence from bumping any of the Mining ship classes the Industry ship classes and Hauling ship classes which retain to, the Mining Barges both T1 and T2 class including the mining frigate, the Industry ship including all the faction haulers, Badger, Badger MkII, all 5 of the Iterons, the Sigle and Bestower, the 3 of the Minmitar ships, as well as the T2 versions and the faction version of named ships. This will include freighter of the capital ship classes.

Think about it honestly, for those of use that are Miners new and or old, this is how we play Eve and this is what we pay for with our real life currency, in-game currency and most important of all our time. The New Order is a disruption of the natural flow of Eve, Even if its seen a part of the game or game mechanic .


Your wall of text has very little content. I think it can be summed up with "I pay money to play this game, and these guys disturb me."



i want to pay my toll the subscription cost to play this game and NOT pay another player to play the game i already legally paid for.
Snow Fauls
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-08-02 22:18:22 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Don't worry about it, they kind of suck at ganks anyway.

And Goon kind of is aware given they are lead by a Goon.


If GOONs or GOON kind are involved then were is TEST or TEST kind to counter this territory control movement.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#19 - 2013-08-02 22:19:38 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
Zappity wrote:
No, it's not griefing. Just go to another belt or system and if they keep following you around THEN it might be griefing. But you know this anyway.


how can you warp when being bumped?


So what's your solution? Suspect for bumping? I would greatly enjoy your next visit to Jita.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2013-08-02 22:21:12 UTC
Snow Fauls wrote:
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Don't worry about it, they kind of suck at ganks anyway.

And Goon kind of is aware given they are lead by a Goon.


If GOONs or GOON kind are involved then were is TEST or TEST kind to counter this territory control movement.



Probably bumping miners themselves. You guys don't half provide a lot of tears.

And as I said before, have you tried shooting them? Or going somewhere else? Or not mining?
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