Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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CCP are changing high sec wardecs. We are all bored and arguing about this in a forum section no one reads.

Totally true and I agree there is no real benefit to joining a corp except for the tax break which is pretty important to some people.

However, even a limited penalty for dropping is a vast improvement over current mechanics.

Wardec is as it is now. Everybody complains about it. Every new set of rules would have to answer this question: "is it safer for carebears or is it more fun to PvPers?". That's why Wardec is not changed yet. All this polarization of WarDec topic between carebears and PvPers is so unnecessary. Eve is not game for just one type of people. EVE is game for anyone to play it as they want. Some of them have guns, other have money. Some have both :)

So instead of changing the rules just upgrade it to have more meaning in New Eden.

CONCORD is paid a fee by aggressor not to intervene in conflict with target corporation. So, let the target corporation do similar thing. They can pay for extra protection. But since it's not an auction or outbidding, this can be only payed with no active wars and payed in advance as contract with CONCORD.

Corp/Alliance can optionally pay extra protection of 1 milion ISK per member. It will go as additional ISK requiement on top of standard CONCORD fee. Payment can be set to be automatic and recurring. So, for example alliance od 250 members will pay 250 mil fee per week to CONCORD. Then declaring war on that alliance is 300 mil per week.
So just add one field in corporation description where it shows what is current fee for War Declaration on that corp/alliance.
if someone yet still declare war, then extra protection price is active but payments to CONCORD are suspended for duration of war, and will continue after all WD's are over. That means any additional war will also calculate active protection fee in price.

Base calculation for multiple wardecs stays the same, just add extra protection money, so formula is like this: B * (N +1) * (W + 1) + E. Where B = Base Price, N = number of wars you currently have, W = number of wars currently against the target corporation, E = extra protection money payed by target corporation.

This will give some meaning for recruits to join corporation and will justify creating big alliances. You can have 500 members alliance, and raise price of wardec to 550 mil per week. You want 500 WT's? Well, they payed for extra protection. Match that price and CONCORD will still turn theid head.

That is not any significant impact on current WD for smaller corporations and alliances, but then, you get fewer WT's. Having bigger alliance can add lot of ISK to war declaration fee, but then you have large number of WT's once you declare war.
Of course, there will always be alliances and corporations capable of defending themself and don't want to pay any extra money to CONCORD. So you can fight them at current rates. You'll even get better fights, because they think they can fight back.
The ones that pay for extra protection will most likely pay agressor for dropping war, so you can play on extortion war. The ones that use standard fee will most likely fight you so you can fun wars too.

Again, extra protection fee for CONCORD is optional and must be agreed with CONCORD when there is no WD on you. EVE is game of money and power, so let those two things together handle wardecs better.

No, that idea just makes it better for everyone to pick on the small corps.

There are tons of war deccing corps out there that focus primarily on alliances with lots of high sec boats to kill.

I'd rather keep them occupied with them instead of making it too costly so that they pick on me.




Hurray, someone else in the mind set that they should be able to blow up everyone everywhere with no penalties.

It's funny cause you assume all the carebears should have to bend to your will or GTFO.

Yet, most people with your knuckle dragging "uhh, duhhh, kiell duh cureburs" mentality never stop to think that without carebears pvp existance in Eve would cease to exist because there wouldn't be anyone there to mine, salvage, or construct ships for you to blow up.

however, it would be kinda funny if every time you lost a ship it cost you well over 100mil, even for a t1 frig...

While at the same time carebears need pvp'ers to get blown up so that we can sell our salvage, ore, and ships.


Turn the war against the carebears and you'll find out real soon that without us and without you, there is no Eve.

P.S. - come and find me, then you can sit and wait till i undock. Which will probably be some time in the next 2 years after I finish the training que I'm on.

Some of us don't wanna be in a large alliance.

That's part of the reason we're in high sec, so we can just play casually

Hi-sec only means that CONCORD is present. It's like any big city. Police is present, but they can be bought/bribed to look other way, and it goes more for smaller target who are not able to protect on their own. Now, to get better protection, you go to more organized group, alliance. Or develop powerful corp.

Or even better, you want free market? Then no limitation in what corp/alliance will pay to CONCORD for extra protection. You want to throw 1 billion of profit weekly to pay for protection? Then do it. Fight guns with money. That will give everyone equal chance of keeping safe or fighting :)

That will solve problem in open way. Pay to be more safe, but still someone can match you money and still attack you, if they really want to hurt you. Mercs, check with competing companies if they want their cometition crushed? Then they pay you for wardec plus little extra :)

Yes, but the current costs of war decs as is would be like paying an entire police dept with cameras monitoring everything that happens to look the other way and you'll give them 100 bucks.

It might be a good chunk of change for someone with little to no money, but in the grander side of things, it's pennies.

I don't too much feel that it should be more expensive to war dec an alliance over a corp.

When you war dec a corp or an alliance, you're essentially deccing a buisiness. It doesn't matter how large the buisiness is, it's still just a name.

Your security in an alliance comes from power in numbers, but it shouldn't come from power by the cost of war deccing those numbers.

This falls in line with something we talked about much earlier in this thread, where we established that prices shouldn't be determined by the number of players you have because it becomes unfair to either the larger group, or the smaller group.

If you want to be in a large alliance then so be it. If you want to be in a smaller corp than so be it. However, your security comes from the availability of players to smash your enemy, not by making it cost more and more with the more players you have.

There are several players in Eve that don't wanna get involved in the drama and politics that comes with being in an alliance or large corp. They shouldnt be punished for this.

You clearly not reading well. Check it out again, because I said "pay to be safe". You want to be safe? Pay large amount of money and you will be safer. Not 100% safe. Can't do it alone? Unite with others in alliance. That is what alliances should serve their players for.

So this is change to my original proposal. No limit in what you pay for protection. It's open market game anyway. Only rule that is important is to make agreement with CONCORD before being WD.



Alliance and corporations determine how much money they want to pay for extra protection. Cut from profit, invest in safety. Pure business decision on corp/alliance level.

What you want is "I want to do job, be on my own and have huge protection from CONCORD." It does not work that way in EVE. Well, not if you don't have big money or big guns on your side. :)

This you didn't read:






There is no balance in fact that most veterans can insta-pop noobs. There is no balance in fact that veteran combat pilots and industrials earn much more than even average SP player. At least not micro balancing. It's that kind of game. But right now there is one problem. In High-Sec under CONCORD control players who are industry oriented simply does not have effective tools in their hands. They are not fighting, they trained other skills. They make money and cannot use that for themself other than improving production for more money. So my point is not to set new rules on War Declarations, but just to give corps options to pay for extra protection.

And I dont think there will be increase of WD's on smaller corps. Hunting corps with 10 members is not usual fun. Unless it involves stepping on toes. But EVE universe is mostly void space and you have to know how to pick up your fights. There is lot of alliances in HS who will simply have no need to pay for extra protection since they can defend themself. What it will mean to PvPers? There are alliances with lot of targets who will probably fight rather than hide. So more good PvPing in Hi-Sec.

It's normal that bigger corporations and alliances have adventages but that is just nature of game who supports even things like holding sovereignty over part of universe. Making it safe to operate your own corporation, no matter how small is just not in nature of the game. You are 100% safe in NPC faction Corps. Once when you are out of them, you're on your own. Right now it's: "kill or wait to be killed". I think it should be changed to. "Kill or pay for more security." Everybody pulls out their cards, then we all play the game :)