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Underrated yet effective frigs. What are your favorites?
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Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#21 - 2013-07-31 20:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Syrias Bizniz
Confirming that a Helios is underrated, lost a Firetail to one and managed to get barely through armor. You know, like, 2 thirds of his tank still intact.


My most underrated frig would be the Maulus.

Followed by the breacher. The breacher actually is so strong i can't believe i see so few of them.
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest
#22 - 2013-07-31 21:57:39 UTC
The rail Tristan. We can probably lock this thread now.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#23 - 2013-07-31 21:59:51 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Rifter and Punisher are hardly underrated.

Metastasis rigs are a bad idea imho. Many enemies don't have tracking disruptors at all and even a single tracking disruptor should not really cause you problems (use approach or keep at range, don't use t2 ammo) - giving up rig slots on the off chance of encountering an enemy that can tracking disrupt you effectively is a waste. If you are worried carry some Drop around with you.

edit: I just see that Stalking Mantis, already beat me to it. +1 to his post.


The reason I picked these two as the general consensus in these forums is that they are pretty much the worst of the 'combat' T1 frigs atm. You definately don't get all the 'Nerf the rifter' threads anymore and only a select few ever sing the praises of the punisher.

For the punisher my fit minimises the weaknesses it has (range control & pulse laser tracking) seeing as most people just assume they can desengage at will with a punisher I don't even bother to hold them. A web and tracking rigs allows you to even use conflag (200+dps with my implants/skills) crystals and burn them down before they realise they are not pointed. And when most people see they are losing they often try to burn away to break point?! It is all about appling as much damage as possible. Against any competant pilot it should always be a loss but it just doesn't happen that way. Twisted

Add to the list

Venture and probe. Both capable of delivering decent damage and tank, added bonus that most people see them as noobish pve ships so good if you are a non flashy pirate looking to surprise targets.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#24 - 2013-08-02 14:15:30 UTC
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
The rail Tristan. We can probably lock this thread now.

Actually, the rail Tristan is easily the most powerful frigate these days.



As for underrated ships, my vote goes to

Rail Atron
AC Maulus
ASB Breacher

pew pew
Drax Concrilla
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-08-02 16:54:17 UTC
I'm going to second the Punisher, Rifter, and Breacher. I'd also like to add the Executioner - seems that I don't see many around and I've heard many comments belittling it when I've flown it (poorly).
Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-06 09:29:33 UTC
Tormentor. Scram kite fit.

Gets engaged by anyone and everyone in FW plexes, mostly solo as well.

I image the comment on Militia comms is something like;

"Pfttt, one sec some idiot is flying a Tormentor, just gonna kill it brb".

Lovely

Had a good sucess rate in it with 10mil SP alt. More importantly it gets fights.
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
#27 - 2013-08-06 10:23:36 UTC
Vagabond
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#28 - 2013-08-06 18:10:17 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
The rail Tristan. We can probably lock this thread now.

Actually, the rail Tristan is easily the most powerful frigate these days.



As for underrated ships, my vote goes to

Rail Atron
AC Maulus
ASB Breacher



AC Maulus? Haven't heard of that before. How would a Maulus utilize its most effective bonuses (targeting range damps) at AC range?

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Voxinian
#29 - 2013-08-08 16:05:15 UTC
The Condor. Not the best for sure, but really fun with a stable MWD fit. Drones can´t catch it, webbers are pretty much useless against it and with a TP it can still deliver a punch... till you get scrambled of course.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#30 - 2013-08-08 16:54:27 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
The rail Tristan. We can probably lock this thread now.

Actually, the rail Tristan is easily the most powerful frigate these days.



As for underrated ships, my vote goes to

Rail Atron
AC Maulus
ASB Breacher



AC Maulus? Haven't heard of that before. How would a Maulus utilize its most effective bonuses (targeting range damps) at AC range?

You don't have to fit damps on a Maulus. Pretend it's a slasher with a 20m3 drone bay. On the other hand, you can fit 280s, mwd, a long point,2 damps and pretend you're a hookbill with tracking issues.

pew pew
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#31 - 2013-08-08 17:13:12 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Perkin Warbeck wrote:
The rail Tristan. We can probably lock this thread now.

Actually, the rail Tristan is easily the most powerful frigate these days.



As for underrated ships, my vote goes to

Rail Atron
AC Maulus
ASB Breacher



it really really isn't... But alright.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Fret Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-08-08 22:34:39 UTC
Tormentors are underrated in general at least going by the amount of them I see.

Which I don't get because they are a very very nasty frig.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#33 - 2013-08-09 16:52:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
You don't have to fit damps on a Maulus. Pretend it's a slasher with a 20m3 drone bay. On the other hand, you can fit 280s, mwd, a long point,2 damps and pretend you're a hookbill with tracking issues.


Of course you don't have to take advantage of a ship's bonuses. But why wouldn't you? Especially when damps are f'ing amazing now, and even better when bonused. If you're going to leave damps off the ship, what do you get in trade?

And why use 280s when you can fit T2 lasers with Scorch for tracking that is twice as good? Cap stability? Either way I don't see how a Maulus without damps would qualify as "underrated". Seems kinda meh fitted as you're suggesting.

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Seraph Castillon
Death Metal Frogs
Ribbit.
#34 - 2013-08-09 17:07:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Castillon
Princess Bride wrote:
And why use 280s when you can fit T2 lasers with Scorch for tracking that is twice as good and still cap stable?


Fitting scorch lasers on a damp Maulus is asking for trouble. You can only get your damps to work well enough to be that close if you have a bunch of very unpopular skills trained up sufficiently. On top of that you'll be way to close to scram range for comfort and need to spend lows or rigs on getting your lasers to work past 10km.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#35 - 2013-08-09 17:10:29 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Of course you don't have to take advantage of a ship's bonuses. But why wouldn't you? Especially when damps are f'ing amazing now, and even better when bonused. If you're going to leave damps off the ship, what do you get in trade?

And why use 280s when you can fit T2 lasers with Scorch for tracking that is twice as good? Cap stability? Either way I don't see how a Maulus without damps would qualify as "underrated". Seems kinda meh fitted as you're suggesting.
I was just giving examples, calm down there.

And what you get if you fit a Maulus without damps? A frigate that pretty much everyone will engage without thinking twice.

pew pew
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#36 - 2013-08-09 17:19:12 UTC
Zen Guerrilla wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
Of course you don't have to take advantage of a ship's bonuses. But why wouldn't you? Especially when damps are f'ing amazing now, and even better when bonused. If you're going to leave damps off the ship, what do you get in trade?

And why use 280s when you can fit T2 lasers with Scorch for tracking that is twice as good? Cap stability? Either way I don't see how a Maulus without damps would qualify as "underrated". Seems kinda meh fitted as you're suggesting.
I was just giving examples, calm down there.

And what you get if you fit a Maulus without damps? A frigate that pretty much everyone will engage without thinking twice.


Not sure what gave you the impression that I'm not calm. I was just having trouble following your argument and asking for clarification. Some people might call it a conversation.

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Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-08-10 03:11:08 UTC
Shield executioner.
Solo? I guess it works for some things. I use it mainly as decent tank suicide tackle. Somehow it lives 1/2 the time.

Rifter.
Should be coming back into it's own here soon. I flew one the other day and was surprised at how well it did.

Punisher.
I love this thing. I'll take it into medium plexes against destroyers it works so good! 200 plate +AAR is baws. (then add in some legion boosts and it's almost silly. I like the web+no scram idea. I did that with the coercer back in the day, this oughta work just as well!

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#38 - 2013-08-10 10:27:40 UTC
web + no scram is always fun. I used it on brawling wolf fits..seems to do the job on most people too slow to realise it's a web not a scram on them.

Anyway, my vote is tormentor. They should be a lot more common than they are.
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#39 - 2013-08-11 01:09:21 UTC
Rifter.

The Tears Must Flow
DarkestHeart
ItsMeCorp
#40 - 2013-08-11 16:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DarkestHeart
Oh Beacher for sure, reach very good effenciancy ratios with that little fig.

DPS is a bit of a lack luster with 111 on my fit. But with 227 dps tank its a beast.

This is my fit:

[Breacher, PvP]

Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

1MN Afterburner II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
'Langour' Drive Disruptor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x2


I use the warriors over hobs so that you can place more dps on fast ships like condors and the like that can kite you, the breacher has a fast and very agile hull but with the rockets your limited to close range enagements.