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Multiboxing softwares ruining pvp

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Templar Knightsbane
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-08-02 11:35:44 UTC
+1 for that amazing setup with the bars of wood across mini keyboards!!!!
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#22 - 2013-08-02 11:39:27 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:


Edit: AFAIK ISBoxer is not free. Is there a good, free alternative?



Theres this


Oh sure, a hardware solution. Sticks and tape ain't free either!

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2013-08-02 11:59:45 UTC
You know running away is an option in this game. He obviously is someone who knows how to play with many accounts. Not everyone can but thats the way it goes.

Set a trap for him with a fleet. I am sure a few of your PVP friends would enjoy getting in on those kills. When he loses his entire fleet a few times. He might find multiboxing to be an expensive hobby.
Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Mellivora Nulla Irrumabo
#24 - 2013-08-02 12:04:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:


Edit: AFAIK ISBoxer is not free. Is there a good, free alternative?



Theres this


Upvote for you Sir, that is the best multibox setup Macgyver style i have seen yet ;)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#25 - 2013-08-02 12:18:57 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Hi!

I know there are some topics about these softwares on the forums, but in those topics the player's problems was related to pve, as far as I saw.

My problem is related to pvp and multiboxing softwares.

Let me tell you an example:

I was trying to do a sansha 6/10 with my alt, but the guy who uses one of these softwares was on local, tried to probe me down a few times, and a bit later he probed down the complex, and started to do it with a vigilant, a loki, and 2 guardians, all alone.

Now tell me, what the hell can I do about that, with my main, and with my combat alt?? What if he brings more dps, or more guardians, because he can, he has like 15-20 accs, and he can control all at the same time.

On the other hand, I wouldn't care if a 10 man gang would steal the complex I'm doing, because they can, it can happen.
..


How do you know the guy is using multiboxing software? I fly 4 accounts at a time doing PVE (for a 10/10 I sometimes use a machariel, a Domi (for drones and reps) and 2 navy Ravens).

And Even is he was, you've got 2 toons you fly right? you can't train one for a Blackbird and Jam his logi (perhaps getting his dps ships killed in the 6/10s) or jamming his dps ships and killing the logi yourself (you should bring a neuts on your dps ship).

You're basically complaining because a guy brought more characters than you despite the fact that you too are using an alt.. The obvious answer to your problem is either get a couple more alts, or a couple more friends. If he brings more, you bring more (there is a whole merc market going). Find a way to make what he's doing un-fun/unprofitable.

http://www.thegunzone.com/gunfighting.html

If you can't fight him straight up, go gorilla warfare on his ass. I have an old NCDot buddy who would scan down plexes in low sec and when someone would come to do it, he use a cheap frig to uncloak and get a "bump n tackle", warp in an Arty Tornado to a bookmark off the 1st gate and pop Logistic ship, sometimes he'd even get dps. High Alpha Ships are great counters to multiboxers with logistics.

You need to be creative rather than whining about multiboxing. When fighting a multiboxer, you fight HIM (the one guy trying to control a one man blob), not the ships he has one the field. 1 man is much easier to psych out and defeat than 10 men in the same ships. It's how Picard keeps beating the Borg, hivemind sucks.
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-08-02 12:20:18 UTC
The first rule of GD is you don't talk about ISBoxer! The second rule of GD is you don't talk about ISBoxer! Really there isn't much reason to. The creators plan to allow you to create cross client macros, so you can click F1 on the master client, which will trigger F2 on the first slaves client, and will cause the 8th slaves client to lock and trigger F1 on the master client. They also have plans to let you set up macros that create any number of unique key presses across any number of slaves clients, all neatly spaced out by intervals of your choosing. Of course they argue these are all MMO safe. ISBoxer is here because no one saw it coming. Now that they see it, they'll ban it when it goes too far. That's why CCP has been careful to never endorse the use of it, only saying that broadcasting a single key press to multiple clients is not a violation of their rules.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#27 - 2013-08-02 12:27:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Hi!

I know there are some topics about these softwares on the forums, but in those topics the player's problems was related to pve, as far as I saw.

My problem is related to pvp and multiboxing softwares.

Let me tell you an example:

I was trying to do a sansha 6/10 with my alt, but the guy who uses one of these softwares was on local, tried to probe me down a few times, and a bit later he probed down the complex, and started to do it with a vigilant, a loki, and 2 guardians, all alone.

Now tell me, what the hell can I do about that, with my main, and with my combat alt?? What if he brings more dps, or more guardians, because he can, he has like 15-20 accs, and he can control all at the same time.

On the other hand, I wouldn't care if a 10 man gang would steal the complex I'm doing, because they can, it can happen.
..


How do you know the guy is using multiboxing software? I fly 4 accounts at a time doing PVE (for a 10/10 I sometimes use a machariel, a Domi (for drones and reps) and 2 navy Ravens).

And Even is he was, you've got 2 toons you fly right? you can't train one for a Blackbird and Jam his logi (perhaps getting his dps ships killed in the 6/10s) or jamming his dps ships and killing the logi yourself (you should bring a neuts on your dps ship).

You're basically complaining because a guy brought more characters than you despite the fact that you too are using an alt.. The obvious answer to your problem is either get a couple more alts, or a couple more friends. If he brings more, you bring more (there is a whole merc market going). Find a way to make what he's doing un-fun/unprofitable.

http://www.thegunzone.com/gunfighting.html

If you can't fight him straight up, go gorilla warfare on his ass. I have an old NCDot buddy who would scan down plexes in low sec and when someone would come to do it, he use a cheap frig to uncloak and get a "bump n tackle", warp in an Arty Tornado to a bookmark off the 1st gate and pop Logistic ship, sometimes he'd even get dps. High Alpha Ships are great counters to multiboxers with logistics.

You need to be creative rather than whining about multiboxing. When fighting a multiboxer, you fight HIM (the one guy trying to control a one man blob), not the ships he has one the field. 1 man is much easier to psych out and defeat than 10 men in the same ships. It's how Picard keeps beating the Borg, hivemind sucks.







Do you know how I know hes using a multiboxing software? Logging in at the same time, and camping a station at the same time with 20 tornadoes is a proof enough. Anyway, everyone knows that hes multiboxing.

The problem is, that hes not forced to control 20 clients at the same time, a software does it for him, that's the problem.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#28 - 2013-08-02 12:35:56 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
Hi!

I know there are some topics about these softwares on the forums, but in those topics the player's problems was related to pve, as far as I saw.

My problem is related to pvp and multiboxing softwares.

Let me tell you an example:

I was trying to do a sansha 6/10 with my alt, but the guy who uses one of these softwares was on local, tried to probe me down a few times, and a bit later he probed down the complex, and started to do it with a vigilant, a loki, and 2 guardians, all alone.

Now tell me, what the hell can I do about that, with my main, and with my combat alt?? What if he brings more dps, or more guardians, because he can, he has like 15-20 accs, and he can control all at the same time.

On the other hand, I wouldn't care if a 10 man gang would steal the complex I'm doing, because they can, it can happen.
..


How do you know the guy is using multiboxing software? I fly 4 accounts at a time doing PVE (for a 10/10 I sometimes use a machariel, a Domi (for drones and reps) and 2 navy Ravens).

And Even is he was, you've got 2 toons you fly right? you can't train one for a Blackbird and Jam his logi (perhaps getting his dps ships killed in the 6/10s) or jamming his dps ships and killing the logi yourself (you should bring a neuts on your dps ship).

You're basically complaining because a guy brought more characters than you despite the fact that you too are using an alt.. The obvious answer to your problem is either get a couple more alts, or a couple more friends. If he brings more, you bring more (there is a whole merc market going). Find a way to make what he's doing un-fun/unprofitable.

http://www.thegunzone.com/gunfighting.html

If you can't fight him straight up, go gorilla warfare on his ass. I have an old NCDot buddy who would scan down plexes in low sec and when someone would come to do it, he use a cheap frig to uncloak and get a "bump n tackle", warp in an Arty Tornado to a bookmark off the 1st gate and pop Logistic ship, sometimes he'd even get dps. High Alpha Ships are great counters to multiboxers with logistics.

You need to be creative rather than whining about multiboxing. When fighting a multiboxer, you fight HIM (the one guy trying to control a one man blob), not the ships he has one the field. 1 man is much easier to psych out and defeat than 10 men in the same ships. It's how Picard keeps beating the Borg, hivemind sucks.







Do you know how I know hes using a multiboxing software? Logging in at the same time, and camping a station at the same time with 20 tornadoes is a proof enough. Anyway, everyone knows that hes multiboxing.

The problem is, that hes not forced to control 20 clients at the same time, a software does it for him, that's the problem.


How is that a "problem", it's still one guy with one brain, you and a few friends can exploit that and punish him for doing it yourselves.

Isboxer kiddies in lowsec HATE ECM and smartbombs (watch them freak when you uncloak yourself and 4 friends on a low sec gate when you are in smart bombing rokhs and his paper thin Nados land on you......

You're asking ccp to fix a problem that your own creativity (and friendships) could defeat or mitigate.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#29 - 2013-08-02 12:38:24 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:

Do you know how I know hes using a multiboxing software? Logging in at the same time, and camping a station at the same time with 20 tornadoes is a proof enough. Anyway, everyone knows that hes multiboxing.

The problem is, that hes not forced to control 20 clients at the same time, a software does it for him, that's the problem.


Guess what 20 Tornadoes all doing the same thing in the same spot can't do:

Hit a frigate at close range.

L2Eve and exploit his weaknesses.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#30 - 2013-08-02 12:48:35 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:

Do you know how I know hes using a multiboxing software? Logging in at the same time, and camping a station at the same time with 20 tornadoes is a proof enough. Anyway, everyone knows that hes multiboxing.

The problem is, that hes not forced to control 20 clients at the same time, a software does it for him, that's the problem.


Guess what 20 Tornadoes all doing the same thing in the same spot can't do:

Hit a frigate at close range.

L2Eve and exploit his weaknesses.


Hes also outside with a machariel and a loki on other accounts, so...
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-08-02 12:50:36 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:

Do you know how I know hes using a multiboxing software? Logging in at the same time, and camping a station at the same time with 20 tornadoes is a proof enough. Anyway, everyone knows that hes multiboxing.

The problem is, that hes not forced to control 20 clients at the same time, a software does it for him, that's the problem.


Guess what 20 Tornadoes all doing the same thing in the same spot can't do:

Hit a frigate at close range.

L2Eve and exploit his weaknesses.


Hes also outside with a machariel and a loki on other accounts, so...


So....you're going to keep finding excuse as to why you can't deal with your own problems? Why is it so many other people can defeat multiboxers yet you're having a hard time even accepting the idea?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#32 - 2013-08-02 12:54:35 UTC
Tell me some more about how something you personally dislike is ruining the game. Roll

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#33 - 2013-08-02 12:59:37 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:
War Kitten wrote:
TKL HUN wrote:

Do you know how I know hes using a multiboxing software? Logging in at the same time, and camping a station at the same time with 20 tornadoes is a proof enough. Anyway, everyone knows that hes multiboxing.

The problem is, that hes not forced to control 20 clients at the same time, a software does it for him, that's the problem.


Guess what 20 Tornadoes all doing the same thing in the same spot can't do:

Hit a frigate at close range.

L2Eve and exploit his weaknesses.


Hes also outside with a machariel and a loki on other accounts, so...


So....you're going to keep finding excuse as to why you can't deal with your own problems? Why is it so many other people can defeat multiboxers yet you're having a hard time even accepting the idea?




Im not looking for excuses, my only excuse i can't kick the sh** out of multiboxers is that my pc can only handle 2 clients at the same time.

But I say again, my problem is not finding a solution, and I'm not looking for excuses, but multiboxing with 20 or 30 or 40 accounts is ruining the game, because a SOFTWARE does the job instead of a player.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2013-08-02 13:03:36 UTC
Quote:
Im not looking for excuses, my only excuse i can't kick the sh** out of multiboxers is that my pc can only handle 2 clients at the same time.

But I say again, my problem is not finding a solution, and I'm not looking for excuses, but multiboxing with 20 or 30 or 40 accounts is ruining the game, because a SOFTWARE does the job instead of a player.


And yet, the example you gave that you are so furious about is a guy with less than half a dozen. Talk about your hyperbole.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#35 - 2013-08-02 13:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Shocked
TKL HUN wrote:


Im not looking for excuses, my only excuse i can't kick the sh** out of multiboxers is that my pc can only handle 2 clients at the same time.


So your pc not being able to handle more than 2 clients at a time is also preventing you from making frineds of hiring mercenaries. Damn, you should tell Microsoft about how your computer is oppressing you.

This demonstrates that the bigger problem you are having is you and too narrow of a perspective.

Quote:

But I say again, my problem is not finding a solution, and I'm not looking for excuses, but multiboxing with 20 or 30 or 40 accounts is ruining the game, because a SOFTWARE does the job instead of a player.


Oh crap, I'm guilty too then, last night I initiated a fleet warp which warped me and my 3 non-isboxer alts to a plex, and all most alts are completely made of software (even though i talk to them like they are real, they is my kids). I feel so dirty now.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#36 - 2013-08-02 13:11:33 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
Im not looking for excuses, my only excuse i can't kick the sh** out of multiboxers is that my pc can only handle 2 clients at the same time.

But I say again, my problem is not finding a solution, and I'm not looking for excuses, but multiboxing with 20 or 30 or 40 accounts is ruining the game, because a SOFTWARE does the job instead of a player.


And yet, the example you gave that you are so furious about is a guy with less than half a dozen. Talk about your hyperbole.


Yes, in the example there is less then half a dozen, but what if he brings more, like all hes 30 accs?

That was just an example anyway, but you are surely can't see what is the problem.
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#37 - 2013-08-02 13:13:14 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Shocked
TKL HUN wrote:


Im not looking for excuses, my only excuse i can't kick the sh** out of multiboxers is that my pc can only handle 2 clients at the same time.


So your pc not being able to handle more than 2 clients at a time is also preventing you from making frineds of hiring mercenaries. Damn, you should tell Microsoft about how your computer is oppressing you.

This demonstrates that the bigger problem you are having is you and too narrow of a perspective.

[qoute]
But I say again, my problem is not finding a solution, and I'm not looking for excuses, but multiboxing with 20 or 30 or 40 accounts is ruining the game, because a SOFTWARE does the job instead of a player.


Oh crap, I'm guilty too then, last night I initiated a fleet warp which warped me and my 3 non-isboxer alts to a plex, and all most alts are completely made of software (even though i talk to them like they are real, they is my kids). I feel so dirty now.[/quote]


Who said that there is a problem with 3 accs and a fleet warp?

I think what is narrow is your perspective.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#38 - 2013-08-02 13:13:50 UTC
OP

Just stop already...

Adapt or play something else....

This is NOT going to change...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
#39 - 2013-08-02 13:18:12 UTC
Doc Severide wrote:
OP

Just stop already...

Adapt or play something else....

This is NOT going to change...


I won't play anything else, never played any other mmo, and I will never do it.

" Adapt or play something else...." Yes, may I ask you how would you adapt?
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-08-02 13:25:29 UTC
TKL HUN wrote:
I see you guys don't really understand what I mean.

Yes, you can look after 4 clients if you have 4 monitor.

But what if I go into the complex with a dps ship, and with a falcon?

He will undock 4 more dps ships, and 6 more guardians, and don't tell me he has 15 monitors, and he can take care of 15 clients.

If someone can buy, and use multiboxing software, then EVE will become a pay to win game, which is sad in my opinion with a 10 year history behind EVE.



Eve is a p2w, f2p game. It's called plex. It's a form of p2w with limitations meaning you can, utilizing f2p, have everything a p2w player can have.......just not as quickly. Can't really fault someone for having more resources/knowledge from taking advantage of such. Be thankful that CCP has crafted the p2w facet of the game in such a way that it doesn't completely ignore competitiveness, which imo is acceptable.

With that out of the way, your argument is moot. That this guy has accounts coming out of his bunghole is not the pivotal issue you make it to be. The fact that the guy can bring more ships to the situation is the real issue. Whether he's multiboxing or has friends means that you, as a lone player, can't do anything to counter him. The only way to combat it is to make friend, get a job that pays more and/or learn more about hardware/software to be able to counter the issue.

Otherwise, get your ass to Mars.....I mean, somewhere else.

Don't ban me, bro!