Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, you asked for proof that AFK pilots were profiting while being cloaked, i provided you those proofs, and now you basically post again repeating the exact same thing you posted 2 pages back?
I provided you with specific names of characters, who practice getting a profit of the AFK cloaking. And even demand a fee from other pilots while AFK. You can repeat it over and over and over again saying its not happening, but it does.

Dealing with your type, gets rid of any chance of having a "classy" debate. Still waiting for a decent argument of why an AFK player should have some kind of special consideration.

Oh .. btw since you seem to like throwing around "fancy" words, argumentum ad hominem implies that the argument is invalidated by attacking the person who says it and not the argument.
An example would be, when you say someone's argument is invalid because they are afraid. Yet cant provide a nice and neat justification of why a player would need to be able to go AFK on a hostile system for hours, without any purpose other than project a psycological warfare on the rest of the players in that system.

Once you get to provide a counter argument to mine, THEN you get to demand a "classy" debate.

The original proposal and the 2nd one its the same. Havent you realized that??? On the first one, you counted in cycles, which had a defined duration. On the 2nd one you count in seconds. 180 * 10s cycles, and 1800s is the same. Where do you see a nerf?? You still had the automatic reactivation even with the 10s cycle.

And yes, it was mentioned no less than 20 times in the past pages, of course you can recalibrate before the 30min, what do you think "every 30minutes or less" means?? that "or less" is there for a reason. that reason being that you can recalibrate before the 30min.

Under heavy tidi, it would be the exact same thing. it was easier to implement on the 1st method with the limited module cycle, because tidi would affect the module and no corrections to the timer would be required (since your timeframe is based on module cycles and not seconds). but even if you want it the other way, without the finite cycle, you can still get a time correction by the server. once the game client gets the tidi rate from the server, the countdown timer can be easily adjusted.
Its not like you are dealing with fractions of a second here.

When did asset denial/ransoming suddenly become a foreign aspect of EVE?

I like how you repeatedly state it isn't a nerf, but what you suggest is actually nothing but a pure nerf.

Causing cloaks to fail like that is a nerf.

Forcing players to jump through hoops and perform arbitrary actions to maintain their cloak is a nerf - a punishment to active players for no reason.

It also results in even more effort free intel being provided to the other people in system with the cloaker, as they can determine how active he. It removes uncertainty (and risk, as a result) for terrible cowardly carebear scum who have no place being in null.

Summary: OP is a liar (he suggests nothing but huge nerfs to the cloak, while lying and saying they aren't nerfs) and a coward (he wants to drastically reduce uncertainty and risk for himself )

TheGunslinger42, If you consider it a nerf having to spend a few seconds recalibrating your cloak to keep it going so be it. It is a change that needs to be made and you having to do a simple action pales in comparison to the massive effects players making use of the overpowered ability to go AFK while cloaked have on the game.

Yes if this happens your fleet of AFK cloaking characters (My opinion) will be nerfed because if this happens I suspect you won't be willing to sit at your client and recalibrate 4 or more clients every once in a while. Your ability to leave those clients on while going to work, sleep, school, movies, etc.. being nerfed is what I and other people are asking for. And calling players "Carebear Scum" Wont change that. I heard the same thing when CCP buffed CONCORD.




Just in case anyone is wondering if this works. I heard the same thing from my old corpmates a few hours before the neut in system hotdropped them with a covert ops fleet. And that was before the addition of plex to dual train meaning more cloaking alts being trained up.

They call you (The player reading his crap) "Bad players" while they constantly show up to these topics to defend their overpowered ability to go AFK while cloaked. Something that is not just bad gameplay. It's not gameplay at all despite the effects it can have.

What is the problem with someone AFKing while cloaked in space? I don't see how any afk player can cause any harm.

They can't be probed down. Leaving the player free to sleep, go to work or class, go to the movies etc.. While defenders in system have no real chance to do anything against them.

There have been suggestions on how to remove the incentive to go AFK. From AFK indicators to cloak fuel. Or better ideas like the one suggested in this topic that does not seriously harm active cloak players.

Says the 11month old player who has only ever been in the noob starter corp. Hypocrite!

It's a terrible pointless nerf though. Forcing active players to arbitrarily play minigames to keep a module running is simply horrendous design. It's a really truly terrible idea - it makes a number of very much "at the keyboard" activities more of a pain in the ass because you have to play a dumb minigame every X minutes while trying to do other stuff (like, say, setting up for a bombing run).

Not only is it terrible because of the awkward, awful extra interactions it forces onto active players, it's also really terrible because it hands more intel and power to the other people. As a result of this terrible mechanic they know for certain that you're active. They didn't do anything for this intel, it was just given to them. That is bad design. It is also imbalanced.

As for the "massive effects" players have by cloaking... the answer is to STOP GIVING THEM WHAT THEY WANT. You don't HAVE to pay them off, or dock up. You have dozens of ways to deal with them, or ignore them, or simply be prepared in case anything does happen.

I'm rather tired of the terrible liars who claim to want to "fix" the problem of "AFK" players. Every suggestion you people ever come up with acts as a terrible hindrance to active players more than anyone else. It's disgusting how cowardly some of you are - always demanding that uncertainty and risk be removed.

You can play with set ups and playstyles that work in "i'm alone and safe" style situations when you're alone and safe, sure. When you're not alone or safe, then you have to adapt. Demanding CCP change the mechanics so you can continue to play the one horrible style in every different situation is just astonishingly pigheaded and dumb.

There is no valid reason or need to change the mechanics regarding cloaks or afk players. The only reason you want to is because you want to remove uncertainty and risk for yourself.

To add to the above the only reason you know they might be AFK and\or cloaked is...Local. Without it you wouldn't know who was in a system or who was cloaked\uncloaked\moving constantly so you can't pick them up on D-Scan\etc....see my point.