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Why "high sec bears" don't go to null

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#321 - 2013-08-02 01:39:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
The people criticizing it just have no idea what they're talking about because in their little world they'd never dream of soloing in a T3 in null.


This thread and every single post you've made in it are self serving and egotistical.
I know four Tribal pilots who solo roam in T3s. At least one in Darkness of Despair a bit south. More in CVA towards HED.
They know what they are doing, barring a couple who use them as cloaky transports. They kill and they get killed.
Not one of them expresses any disdain for others unless it's for laughs.
Doesn't matter what your stats are like, friendless, sperging types don't really find a place in powerful groups. Solos will never enjoy what group members do (station availability, fat rats n roids, markets).
The problem is your personality, recommend you grow one.

Lol.

I was polite and friendly to all Tribal peeps when I was in your systems. Apart from killing them. I even let a few of your newbies go after tackling them and let them loot their wrecks without repeat killing them. I congratulated you all on your killing me in local and thanked you for the fun.

Instead of being satisfied I get a bunch of fools spamming my thread drooling over your 18 ship kill of a single T3 and telling me I'm fail after you failed to kill me for 9 days. A highsec carebear who hasn't left highsec since 2004 killed 21 of your crappy pilots solo.

Based on some observation I made while slaughtering you're members, here are some tips you might want to teach you members. Don't let your alliance exec afk at gates. Teach your members to click a celestial and spam warp when their ships explode. Don't let people kill your members in system while other members cower in station (this happened a lot). Don't let your members fly into my bubbles, escape and not bother to come back and pop it, instead leaving and letting some other sucker get caught in it and killed a few hours later.

I could go on and on. You're members at least where I was were unorganized, inexperienced and apart from a small few too scared to undock over a single t3 in local.

No offence. You guys sucked. Just some constructive criticism.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#322 - 2013-08-02 02:09:10 UTC
Is this like the Harry Forever in vfk threads?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#323 - 2013-08-02 02:14:03 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
It's kinda funny how a guy can brag about 21 kills after soliong in null sec while at the same time asking for it to be easier to solo in null sec...


Yeah, imagine that, a guy wanting to PvP a lot (and in the gutsiest form) in the pure PvP game. The outrage!


The outrageous part is a guy asking for what he wants to do to be made easier, despite the fact that doing so would go against good sense.

What good is ownership of space if people can dock and refit in it without your consent? How is that different form NPC null.

No, he wants CCP to make the game do for him what HE should be doing for himself ie he should provide his own support for deep space raiding. Asking for ccp to automate a process that should be done by people (even if those people are using alts) is a good example of the failure I call "the high sec mentality" and is anti-sandbox in nature.

I do pve raids into deep space with ships and alts i've grinded for litterally years for and grind still to plex for to keep them active, yet have you seen me come to CCP and ask for things to be made easier? No, because I'd rather actually play the game than have someone hand me "success".
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#324 - 2013-08-02 02:25:18 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
It's kinda funny how a guy can brag about 21 kills after soliong in null sec while at the same time asking for it to be easier to solo in null sec...


Yeah, imagine that, a guy wanting to PvP a lot (and in the gutsiest form) in the pure PvP game. The outrage!


The outrageous part is a guy asking for what he wants to do to be made easier, despite the fact that doing so would go against good sense.

What good is ownership of space if people can dock and refit in it without your consent? How is that different form NPC null.

No, he wants CCP to make the game do for him what HE should be doing for himself ie he should provide his own support for deep space raiding. Asking for ccp to automate a process that should be done by people (even if those people are using alts) is a good example of the failure I call "the high sec mentality" and is anti-sandbox in nature.

I do pve raids into deep space with ships and alts i've grinded for litterally years for and grind still to plex for to keep them active, yet have you seen me come to CCP and ask for things to be made easier? No, because I'd rather actually play the game than have someone hand me "success".

You're obviously just trolling now.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#325 - 2013-08-02 02:26:56 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
The outrageous part is a guy asking for what he wants to do to be made easier, despite the fact that doing so would go against good sense.
...
No, he wants CCP to make the game do for him what HE should be doing for himself ie he should provide his own support for deep space raiding.
...
I do pve raids into deep space with ships and alts i've grinded for litterally years for and grind still to plex for to keep them active, yet have you seen me come to CCP and ask for things to be made easier? No, because I'd rather actually play the game than have someone hand me "success".


I understand now. You equate something being difficult or tedious with it being worthwhile and an achievement.

Six months into the game I decided that grinding was boring and should not have to be endured. Haven't done it since. I get the impression that you would view this as a character fault.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#326 - 2013-08-02 02:33:38 UTC
Zappity wrote:
I understand now. You equate something being difficult or tedious with it being worthwhile and an achievement.

Six months into the game I decided that grinding was boring and should not have to be endured. Haven't done it since. I get the impression that you would view this as a character fault.

It's much easier to get kill you know :staredog:

"grind" CynoV, fit the appropriate module. Have friends.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#327 - 2013-08-02 02:56:08 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zappity wrote:
I understand now. You equate something being difficult or tedious with it being worthwhile and an achievement.

Six months into the game I decided that grinding was boring and should not have to be endured. Haven't done it since. I get the impression that you would view this as a character fault.

It's much easier to get kill you know :staredog:

"grind" CynoV, fit the appropriate module. Have friends.


Will you be my friend?

It most likely won't happen but with the effort it actaully takes, it's worth a shot anyway.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#328 - 2013-08-02 03:09:05 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
infantile sperg barrage


Whoa there, my systems? I might lurk the southwest corner of the map but i'm not involved. I can tell where you are from the mails.
If you had any expertise to offer a sov holding alliance you could join them, but your bio was just asking for money so you'd go away.
Again: you've bumbled out in a failfit Iwin setup, punched out some soft targets and sperged hard when told what you're doing is unremarkable and inefficient. Sov dwelling newbros and bads will learn or lose stuff, your part is incidental.

Sometimes a bomber pilot hunting ratters jumps into a bubble camp full of faction cruisers, ceptors, ecm and logi. They were there to deal with a shiny t3 wh gang but he's all like: "All this for little me?"
The cloaky lurking can make a guy think he's all that's going on in EvE, if he's already a tool before he undocks, that effect is multiplied.
That's where threads like this come from, lols.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#329 - 2013-08-02 03:12:17 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Sometimes a bomber pilot hunting ratters jumps into a bubble camp full of faction cruisers, ceptors, ecm and logi. They were there to deal with a shiny t3 wh gang but he's all like: "All this for little me?"
The cloaky lurking can make a guy think he's all that's going on in EvE, if he's already a tool before he undocks, that effect is multiplied.
That's where threads like this come from, lols.

Well, it happens when you can make people (who are aware of a cloaky gang sitting on a blops) dock up. Not that you'd know BL had been hotdropping people for the last week...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#330 - 2013-08-02 03:22:58 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zappity wrote:
I understand now. You equate something being difficult or tedious with it being worthwhile and an achievement.

Six months into the game I decided that grinding was boring and should not have to be endured. Haven't done it since. I get the impression that you would view this as a character fault.

It's much easier to get kill you know :staredog:

"grind" CynoV, fit the appropriate module. Have friends.

Will you be my friend?

It most likely won't happen but with the effort it actaully takes, it's worth a shot anyway.

I would, but I haven't been in a covert hotdrop gang since Delve2012.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#331 - 2013-08-02 03:25:41 UTC
Hehe, now that's my sort of farming! Have to look into it.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#332 - 2013-08-02 03:34:40 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yaturi wrote:
Quote:
so I jump 78 jumps dodging camps back to refit.


So I assume you mean bubbles.

Heres 4 words of advice for you.

DScan Safespots Celestials Limbo

78 Jumps is too much, Im sure you could have red rovered it through some.


It's not so sure. I have roamed sov null sec for 88 jumps and the only guy I found fleed like a wussie despite my ship was just a BC.

Only "reliable" way to get action is to go NPC null sec (besides low sec). Which for a full dedicated PvP game imo is quite poor, expecially if you are a person who can't establish a nice setup involving 2-3 hours game time, alt for scouting / RR / refilling etc.



Ironically roaming nullsec is not how you get kills in nullsec. It's how you get noticed and either avoided, or killed. Once you learn how nullsec people move through their space (A jump bridge map helps) it's shockingly easy to pick off people who are not suspecting you.

But a proteus is not a good ship for these particular tactics.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#333 - 2013-08-02 04:07:16 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Sometimes a bomber pilot hunting ratters jumps into a bubble camp full of faction cruisers, ceptors, ecm and logi. They were there to deal with a shiny t3 wh gang but he's all like: "All this for little me?"
The cloaky lurking can make a guy think he's all that's going on in EvE, if he's already a tool before he undocks, that effect is multiplied.
That's where threads like this come from, lols.

Well, it happens when you can make people (who are aware of a cloaky gang sitting on a blops) dock up. Not that you'd know BL had been hotdropping people for the last week...


UH...ok.
Please explain the point i just made, then how what you said has anything to do with it, or what the OP is doing.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#334 - 2013-08-02 04:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Zappity wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The outrageous part is a guy asking for what he wants to do to be made easier, despite the fact that doing so would go against good sense.
...
No, he wants CCP to make the game do for him what HE should be doing for himself ie he should provide his own support for deep space raiding.
...
I do pve raids into deep space with ships and alts i've grinded for litterally years for and grind still to plex for to keep them active, yet have you seen me come to CCP and ask for things to be made easier? No, because I'd rather actually play the game than have someone hand me "success".


I understand now. You equate something being difficult or tedious with it being worthwhile and an achievement.

Six months into the game I decided that grinding was boring and should not have to be endured. Haven't done it since. I get the impression that you would view this as a character fault.


Not putting in effort for a reward but rather having the powers that be just hand you "success", yea, if that's the way you think, I do view it as a character flaw, as much as any IRL welfare queen is flawed.

And how is making ONE friend (or, if you don't like other people, making ONE alt) that can fly a tech 1 ship and use both armor and hull reps "tedious"? Because that's the answer to the question Infinity has asked:


What keeps high sec people out of null? Fear of loss. laziness. Entitlement thinking. lack of creativity. Lack of willingness to make friends.
And all this in a game that litterally gives players MILLIONS of options when you consider all the ships, weapons, and equipment at our disposal.


Its the same thing as the afk cloaking threads. These people (like Infinity) lie to themselves and say "if ccp just makes this easier, more people will do it" Yet how much more easy does it have to get, the game already has items that let you not get scrammed, not get tackled, hell you can use one item and no one can see you except in local. etc etc.

No sir, self reliance is not tedious. Asking a game maker to amke their game easier for you when you don't need (see Infinities 21 kills, proof that the game provides all that is needed for deep space raiding) is not self reliance.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#335 - 2013-08-02 04:37:41 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
It's kinda funny how a guy can brag about 21 kills after soliong in null sec while at the same time asking for it to be easier to solo in null sec...


Yeah, imagine that, a guy wanting to PvP a lot (and in the gutsiest form) in the pure PvP game. The outrage!


The outrageous part is a guy asking for what he wants to do to be made easier, despite the fact that doing so would go against good sense.

What good is ownership of space if people can dock and refit in it without your consent? How is that different form NPC null.

No, he wants CCP to make the game do for him what HE should be doing for himself ie he should provide his own support for deep space raiding. Asking for ccp to automate a process that should be done by people (even if those people are using alts) is a good example of the failure I call "the high sec mentality" and is anti-sandbox in nature.

I do pve raids into deep space with ships and alts i've grinded for litterally years for and grind still to plex for to keep them active, yet have you seen me come to CCP and ask for things to be made easier? No, because I'd rather actually play the game than have someone hand me "success".

You're obviously just trolling now.


That's just idiotic the way people like you always resort to saying that when you know you're wrong. It's childish in the extreme. But then again, you tend to stomp your feet like a child when people don't agree with you.

You just proved that deep space raiding is viable and possible in game right now with EVE as is, and you here you are still basically asking for a change to the game to make what you just proved was [possible even easier to do.

Don't you see how dumb that is?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#336 - 2013-08-02 05:24:31 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
You just proved that deep space raiding is viable and possible in game right now with EVE as is, and you here you are still basically asking for a change to the game to make what you just proved was [possible even easier to do.

Don't you see how dumb that is?

Wait a second.

... uh actually that seems to be the case >__<

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#337 - 2013-08-02 06:32:35 UTC
I'd like to refute the topic title. Granted, I am a low-bear I guess. I mainly grind POCO shields for tax, so I'm an Empire bear as well Blink

We found a wormhole to null. We shot at rats and made ISK. Then it closed and we had to leave null through Curse. We managed to reach a station and drop off loot. We killed a Thrasher about halfway. The victim laughed in local, he was watching the tourney and didn't pay attention. We went with gate-to-gate jumps for the explicit purpose of getting in a fight. We landed in a drag bubble. My buddy lost his Thorax but we almost got a Daredevil kill, alas 2 Falcons jammed my Stabber and I had to degress and jump gate. Me and my mate consider this an 'adventure' for which we gladly pay the cost of a Cruiser and a clone. A small hour ratting may even see you reach ROI in that entire investment, so there's little reason for me not to jump holes into nullsec, especially when carebearing it up. I just carebear aligned! Lol

IDK but I will visit any chance of null I get to pew at better rats. I don't mind getting shot after doing X but it sucks if you enter null and get blapped right away. Wormholes are my answer to that problem. I think this mainly has to do with experience. I've done my share of DIAF in null and wspace, and learned from those experiences. Vanilla hisec bears that F1 through missions may find that process itself to be daunting.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#338 - 2013-08-02 07:27:03 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
My buddy lost his Thorax but we almost got a Daredevil kill, alas 2 Falcons jammed my Stabber

Argh, because of Falcon.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#339 - 2013-08-02 09:17:39 UTC
I hope you'll be pleased with the results of my campaign to get Falcons buffed

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#340 - 2013-08-02 10:15:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
I hope you'll be pleased with the results of my campaign to get Falcons buffed



...

*head explodes*

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.