Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Oh well you get a decent sized fleet and reinforce it, then attempt to kill it after it exits rf timer. If it's just a ratting hideout pos, not worth it, kind of?

Anyway, been a while since we had an AFK cloaking is bad bawww thread so 1/10 for the effort. The issues behind local and cloaking have been outlined so many times those threads may aswell be copypasted now. In short: bad PvE favors savety vs. risk causing people to hide with one neut in local making AFK cloaking necessary to grab a careless/stupid pilot that dares to take risks in a game that should reward risking.

When it comes to growing a pair, my old suggestion stands: get a cloaky ship, get a bunch of friends and a cyno. Then try catching things and see if it's really that effort and risk free.

(Gas thread, ban op)

Moreover, how does one profit when one is not stealing underpants?

Give me the name of one pilot, just one, that charged a fee for someone to leave a system while the pilot was AFK and I'll call you a liar to your face...

When you ask someone to prove something, and they do. You dont get to call them a liar, its the other way around. You call them a liar, when they dont .

BTW, check any of "Yoyo210" alts. The guy demands for ramson on the title of the alt, cause he doesnt even bother to read local, cause he is not there. For example "Yoyo210 Lee" title reads "contact yoyo210 to get rid of me".
Also in Yoyo210's main, you can see on his Bio:
Join '' NOFUN_PUB '' to let some steam out
Dont want to be camped? Pay a weekly fee :)

The guy has dozens of alts logged on at the same time on many systems, and he goes from downtime to downtime logged on. i saw him do it for over 45 days.

So any argument presuming that this isnt happening, its pretty invalid.



Same logic applies to "Guns dont hurt people, a person holding the gun while pointing at someone. And initiating a chemical exotermal reaction that causes an expansion of hot gasses to project a bullet towards that direction. Thats what kill people".

If a cloaker spends his day on a system, stalking the people living there, then he earning the right to drop them. im not against that, and may come as a surprise to many talking here, but im pretty good at it aswell.

Being AFK for 4-5 days on a system, forcing the people on the system to risk ratting/mining with you on the system with no effort at all apart from hitting F1 once, and logging in every 23hrs. Well thats just not earning the right to do it.

By being AFK cloaked, you are not risking anything, you are not even investing your time. Yet you get a reward in the way of isk if you ask for ramson, or targets if you want to hotdrop. Either way, there is profit, with no effort. Hence my problem with the deal.

There is no 'right to do it.' You just do it.

Just like there is no right to mine or rat safely in any system. You either get out and do it, or you don't.

I am glad to see people proposing more ideas to deal with the overpowered ability to go AFK while cloaked. If CCP has decided that running links inside a forcefield is overpowered. It is time for them to admit that the ability to cloak in an hostile system and go AFK without any risk of being probed down is also extremely overpowered.

I am also starting to warm up to the idea of minigame based encouragement to be at your computer and cloaked. It would make bots harder to make to defeat the changes and make the bots easier to detect and banned from the game. I suspect it likely will be easier to code in as well.


It is time for a change tho. Even if it is just a band aid for 1.1 This issue with the game has gone on long enough and smaller issues are getting development time while this one continues to have massive effects on the game without balance.

No, actually the system wouldnt be finite, as long as you are playing you can pull a 23hr cloak.

Tbh i dont have anything against cloakers and cynos as long as they are playing the game. The problem is when ONE guy, is able to perma camp a system 45 days, for the whole 23hr. Well ... thats not ok.
Now ... do the same thing, with 10 guys ... i tip my hat, great teamwork.

This, a thousand times over. If I could make that line any more abundantly clear, I would but there are no enlarge text options. FFS enough with this anti-cloaking threadwagon.. in the time you spent writing this up, OP, you could have moved to a new system and played EVE.

Actually they have made NO such statement.

They have said that AFK Cloaking is simply not an exploit. Just like sitting in a POS and providing links is not an exploit. They are still removing the ability to run warfare links inside a POS.

There is a HUGE difference between "Not an exploit" and "This is balanced"

Also if that were somehow true and CCP did say clearly that the ability to go AFK for extremely long periods of time while cloaked was balanced. How come the pro AFK cloakers don't quote that exact post each and every time this topic comes up? Hell why do they spend so much time in these topics anyway if they are without fear that anything will happen to the ability to go AFK for long periods of time while cloaked?

Nope, sitting in a pos with links isn't an exploit but it's also downright broken, hence the change. If CCP has stated that AFK cloaking isn't an exploit then cloaks, by themselves are working as intended. How pilots use cloaks is another matter entirely.. just like with links.