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Advice for C4 fleet composition.
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Tehhi Shek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-07-28 03:05:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tehhi Shek
I've read lots of forums, but didn't get an answer for my question. i'm not naturaly speaking english, so, please forgive me for mistakes.
I have 3 accounts (2 training + 1 living nomadic in C1). I know that 3 armor RR Dominix can do all combat anomalies in C4. My 2 accounts are training for this. But as i understood, 3 armor RR domixes can't do all data + Relic sites in C4. 4 Safeguard BS DPS can't be tanked by them. Or am i wrong ? My Dominix fit is pretty cheap - mostly T2.

So here is the question. Can i do all Data + relic site if i switch from 3 armor spider dominixes to 2 spider dominixes + Guardian ? i don't wanna put billions in fits, because managing 3 accounts is not easy and i can forget to DScan sometimes.
If 2 domis + guardian not enough to run all "anomalies + data + relic", so what fleet composition could you suggest for me ? not to expensive, and not T3's, because of becoming nerf for T3's. Price tag is 2 billions for all 3 ships maximum, cheaper if possible.

[Dominix, Domi Armor RR]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Explosive Hardener II

Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Sensor Booster II
[empty med slot] i'm not sure what to put in here...
[empty med slot]

Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II

Large Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Large Anti-Thermic Pump II
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I


Garde II x5

[Guardian, Domi support C4]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Internal Force Field Array I
Federation Navy Energized EM Membrane
True Sansha Energized Thermic Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
[empty med slot]

Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Regard' Power Projector
Large 'Regard' Power Projector

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

Fits are not final, just a hint of how i see those ships...
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#2 - 2013-07-28 08:55:07 UTC
that setup will die in flames, quickly...

few things wrong with those fittings
First, domi = shield tank. Dps is pitiful otherwise.
Second, that guardian fit... 4RR & 2 energy or 5 rr & 1 energy; wtf is internal force field array 1?
2 dla's are pointless with gardes

easiest method would be to just add a second logi.
if your hell bent on armor fittings...

lows,
kin, exp, therm hardner, 2 eanm, 1600 plate, dcu
mid,
3 target painter/tracking link combo, 2 cap modules{i like batteries for nuet buffer}
high
3 energy xfers, 3 rr
rigs
2 egress, 1 remote repair

guardian, preferably logi v
4 rr, 2 energy xfers

setup = each domi has a 1 xfer to guardian, the other 2 to each other. set the drones to assist the domi with target painter.
whichever ship is getting pounded gets 7 rr on it.
implants help a lot
all V skills = 2767 tank, 24 cap/s buffer, about 450dps per ship, 132 ehp, 75% resists across the board
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#3 - 2013-07-28 08:56:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Evangelina Nolen
price tag for above is about 500m isk. maybe more since domi's went up in price

edit: instead of cap modules, just put 2 racial ecm. that will actually help more if you land some jams.

edit 2: actually, 3 of those domis should be able to do it.
Tehhi Shek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-07-28 09:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tehhi Shek
Thx for answer. My fits were done in 10 minutes, so i agree that they are far from being perfect.
I'm not bound to Armor or Shield tanking, and i don't understand why Shield tanking is better than Armor (as i can see Domi armor resists are better than shield resists), but i believe you. Thx for advice.
So i will rephrase my question. Would 2 Shield RR domix + 1 Basilisc be able to complete all "Data + Relic" sites in C4?
Tehhi Shek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-07-28 10:17:20 UTC
Tehhi Shek wrote:
Thx for answer. My fits were done in 10 minutes, so i agree that they are far from being perfect.
I'm not bound to Armor or Shield tanking, and i don't understand why Shield tanking is better than Armor (as i can see Domi armor resists are better than shield resists), but i believe you. Thx for advice.
So i will rephrase my question. Would 2 Shield RR domix + 1 Basilisc be able to complete all "Data + Relic" sites in C4?

P.S. Would be apreciated if u can post fits for Shield RR Domi, didn't find anything interesting on Battleclinic lodouts
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-07-28 11:09:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sushi Nardieu
If you RR with a logistics specialized ship in a c4, it will be easy. I suggest not because all it will do is reduce your DPS because that pilot could be in something more useful.

My last piece of advice is to never use battleclinic. Or if you do, make sure you know what you are doing.

The Guns of Knowledge 
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#7 - 2013-07-28 11:14:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Evangelina Nolen
sheild rr with basi
lows,
4 dda, 2 cpu, dcu
mid,
2 adaptive, pith b em, pith c therm, lse
high
4 energy xfers, 2 rr
rigs
3 egress

basi, preferably logi v
4 rr, 2 energy xfers

all V skills = 2126 tank, 67 cap/s buffer, 800 dps per domi, 100k ehp,

this should work. I usually just use 2 basi and 2 rail domi.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#8 - 2013-07-28 11:53:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
+1 for going with domis to start with!

You should focus on shield-domis, as once you're DDA-stacking is reached, you can fill lows with CPRs. The passive recharge on domis can be quite a bit towards cap-stability, and the only domi neuted is also the one being shot at (unless I missed anything). (edit: or right, just go plain with x-fers :P)You won't be needing a LSE for c4s, better try to minimize your tank 'step by step' towards more drone-tracking-links.
You can solo c4 anoms in a nightmare with pricey enough smartbombs, so I guess ~3 shield-RRs should keep you alive even against the more badass-spawns in datas/relics (those 4 safeguards in particular might hurt a little).

If you have siegelinks avaiable (like a tengu/vulture), they are cutting the required tank in about half, thanks to the boni they provide. It just let's you fit more gank to get the sites done faster.
Tehhi Shek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-07-28 15:04:37 UTC
Ok, i get it. Shield tanking is better because of i can use low slots fot DDA, while medium slot will be used for tanking.
But, please tell me, don't i need Drone Link Augumentor ll for drone range, or Sentry drones don't need it ? I've never user Sentry drones before and don't know mechanics...
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#10 - 2013-07-28 15:11:51 UTC
Get some freinds. WiIll make this so much easier.

No Sentries will not attack anything outside your drone control range, regardless of the sentries optimal range.
Tehhi Shek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2013-07-28 15:20:26 UTC
Thx everyone for helping me. I will stick to 2 Shield RR Domis + basilisc, and after that maybe will switch to 2 rattlesnakes + basilisc.
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#12 - 2013-07-31 08:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Look at all these over-tanked scrubs...

[Dominix, armor]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Energized Explosive Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
Large Remote Repair Augmentor I
___________________________________________

700 tank per domi, so with 3 domis you have 1400 which is more then enough for the normal C4 sites.
Maximum DPS

I wouldn't go with any less then 4 for the harder relics and datas, or 3 and the logi if your feeling frisky.

♞
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#13 - 2013-07-31 08:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
And the CORRECT way to shield tank a domi if your interested

[Dominix, shield]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
'Deuce' Co-Processor I
'Deuce' Co-Processor I
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Large Shield Transporter II
Large Shield Transporter II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Large Energy Transfer Array II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Sentry Damage Augmentor II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

8% more DPS
580 Tank per domi

Having 1 or 2 domis with a target painter can help, just drop one of the Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

♞
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#14 - 2013-08-01 05:18:45 UTC
keith
why would anyone need that many tracking links? do u warp in at 150km out or something?
how long can that fit run rr while also running transfers?
do you use 4 or more pilots to run sites?

also, i didn't have dla's in those fit since it was for the mag site. the safeguards orbit in range.
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#15 - 2013-08-01 05:25:47 UTC
Tehhi Shek wrote:
Thx everyone for helping me. I will stick to 2 Shield RR Domis + basilisc, and after that maybe will switch to 2 rattlesnakes + basilisc.


like some have said, 3-4 rr domis work but since your planning to multibox; just use a basilic. With one domi set for rr with logi and assisting the main domi, you only need dual screen to monitor everything. When sleepers switch targets between domi's, the basilic can handle it with 4 reppers{normal sites, not mag/radar}. Those 4 domi setups are faster but much more taxing...
Frontier barracks = best site. 7 sleeper bs, 6 cruisers, 3 frigs.
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#16 - 2013-08-01 05:26:16 UTC
Evangelina Nolen wrote:
keith
why would anyone need that many tracking links? do u warp in at 150km out or something?
how long can that fit run rr while also running transfers?
do you use 4 or more pilots to run sites?

also, i didn't have dla's in those fit since it was for the mag site. the safeguards orbit in range.


More applied DPS
they are cap stable
we don't use RR domis cause their DPS is trash compared to chimera+machariels

♞
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#17 - 2013-08-01 20:32:38 UTC
I do armor tanked domi because we are in a cv but I would go with

high 3 rail gun II 3 drone link augmentors

med 2 Omni II
3 Cap rechargers

low
1 drone damage amp II
1 of each of the hardners and 1 1600 plate 1 dcu II

2nd ship a carrier for remote rep

replace the rails with remote armor rep as needed depending on carrier skills