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Blue on blue attacks - Diana Kim, Pyre Falcon, The Republic, The Federation

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#121 - 2013-07-31 17:33:39 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:

Exactly.

As long as you're only flapping your gums, Diana, you're not worth my time or anyone else's outside of any other official capacities I have to tolerate you in.

However, I take threats against myself and those close to me seriously. The second you actually try acting on the hot air escaping your lips, is the second we might actually have a problem, and I won't hesitate to deal with it as necessary. Consider yourself warned, you miserable, deluded little cretin.

The problem will have only you, gallentean filth.
Actually, consider you already have it.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#122 - 2013-07-31 18:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Morwen Lagann
Diana Kim wrote:
HOW ABOUT YOU VISIT MY QUARTERS RIGHT NOW? I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY DIRECTLY TO YOUR NOSE!

You can say it right here. I'm listening, and I'm not exactly going anywhere for a while. Neither is my nose. Though, if you go for the predictable "you smell", I'll be rather disappointed. Speaking of...

Diana Kim wrote:
Stop barking already, you are simply disgusting.
You know, that when I see your picture on the galnet I already start imagining canine smell.
I hope I won't meet you in person to smell it for real.

She definitely doesn't smell like that in the slightest. I could go into more detail, but the expression I'm being given right now suggests that might not be a good idea. Best not to annoy the warden who's bringing me things to read and such.

Diana Kim wrote:
The problem will have only you, gallentean filth.
Actually, consider you already have it.

I bathe every day. Sometimes more than once. So I'm not sure where you're getting the 'filth' part from here.

I'll make a note to inform Repentence that she's had "Problem" added to her growing list of nicknames, however.

Unless of course you meant to say that I'd be having a problem, in which case I'll be pretty blunt: I don't think you spouting off and calling me names is much of a problem.

A mild annoyance, maybe. An amusing one, at least.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Erys Charantes
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#123 - 2013-08-01 08:47:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Erys Charantes
Threats, threats, threats... And a lot of wailing.

I wouldn't worry about it Morwen... Not to say that you do. Given the sheer amount of air expelled, and never followed up on, I think we both know what this is. A last hurrah for a dying cause. A plea for attention.

Ordinarily, I'd at least wish a quick, painless end to someone so obsessed... But in this case? I hope she lives a long, long time... And suffers every minute of it.

We all earn our fates, good and bad, and this one is shaping up to be a lonely, cold, bitter path indeed, and well earned, despite the best efforts of some good people.
iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#124 - 2013-08-01 15:18:11 UTC
Not sure Morwen, but the capitalised sentence at the top of your recent post may have been aimed at me.
If so, I decline to visit your quarters Kim. There are two reasons for this.
The first is that it appears that you only eat dry rations. Those things stink and cause the body, over prolonged usage, to exhude a similar smell.
The second is that you would undoubtedly attempt to force some form of combat between us.
Though it is possible that we could meet for such combat, I feel it would be an insult to Kensei Miyamoto Tesshu to use the martial lessons he taught me against you.
While the teachings would no doubt serve me well, the art of Kenjutsu insinuates that there is a measure of honour and respect held between the parties involved.
You are deserving of neither of these things.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#125 - 2013-08-01 16:08:16 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Not sure Morwen, but the capitalised sentence at the top of your recent post may have been aimed at me.

... No, it definitely wasn't. Did you read the last page at all?

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#126 - 2013-08-01 17:23:16 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
HOW ABOUT YOU VISIT MY QUARTERS RIGHT NOW? I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY DIRECTLY TO YOUR NOSE!

You can say it right here. I'm listening, and I'm not exactly going anywhere for a while. Neither is my nose. Though, if you go for the predictable "you smell", I'll be rather disappointed. Speaking of...

It is misprint. I mean ear, not nose, of course. Some things are better to say nose-to-nose, and not scream them on public comms.

Morwen Lagann wrote:

Diana Kim wrote:
Stop barking already, you are simply disgusting.
You know, that when I see your picture on the galnet I already start imagining canine smell.
I hope I won't meet you in person to smell it for real.

She definitely doesn't smell like that in the slightest. I could go into more detail, but the expression I'm being given right now suggests that might not be a good idea. Best not to annoy the warden who's bringing me things to read and such.

I would prefer to not smell her, not look at her, neither hear her sick ravings.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#127 - 2013-08-01 17:32:24 UTC
iyammarrok wrote:
Not sure Morwen, but the capitalised sentence at the top of your recent post may have been aimed at me.
If so, I decline to visit your quarters Kim. There are two reasons for this.
The first is that it appears that you only eat dry rations. Those things stink and cause the body, over prolonged usage, to exhude a similar smell.
The second is that you would undoubtedly attempt to force some form of combat between us.
Though it is possible that we could meet for such combat, I feel it would be an insult to Kensei Miyamoto Tesshu to use the martial lessons he taught me against you.
While the teachings would no doubt serve me well, the art of Kenjutsu insinuates that there is a measure of honour and respect held between the parties involved.
You are deserving of neither of these things.

I would agree that accepting a fight implying acceptance of honor and respect to the other side. And of course, to not lose my honor by dueling such honorless liar like you, I wouldn't offer you to do this. I prefer to simply shoot down gallentean scum like you as rabid dogs, not duel them, of course.

Oh, and if I were in place of this Kensei Miyamoto Tesshu, I would kill myself for having such honorless baka as you as a student, who disgraces this name by simply calling him (or her) your teacher.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#128 - 2013-08-01 17:33:52 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
iyammarrok wrote:
Not sure Morwen, but the capitalised sentence at the top of your recent post may have been aimed at me.

... No, it definitely wasn't. Did you read the last page at all?

This man has either serious problems with comprehension, or simply ignores information, that does not conform with his lies.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#129 - 2013-08-01 19:28:34 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:

Diana Kim wrote:
Stop barking already, you are simply disgusting.
You know, that when I see your picture on the galnet I already start imagining canine smell.
I hope I won't meet you in person to smell it for real.

She definitely doesn't smell like that in the slightest. I could go into more detail, but the expression I'm being given right now suggests that might not be a good idea. Best not to annoy the warden who's bringing me things to read and such.

I would prefer to not smell her, not look at her, neither hear her sick ravings.


Too bad. Playing with you is one of my favourite hobbies at the moment, so you can expect me to be a constant presence. I have to say, Puppy, you don't do mysteries very well. How long did it take to pry an explanation for attacking Gesakaarin-haani out of you? Nearly two weeks? We were all so tense, waiting for some grand revelation...

...and the answer is 'she was saying mean things about me'. The bit that really makes me laugh is that you indicate surprise at Tuulinen-haani getting involved as well. If you shoot someone's CEO, it's pretty much a given that you're going to be shot at by that person. 'Veiki said mean things about me! She must be an evil Gallente! Wait, another Pyre pilot shot at me! That must mean she's an evil Gallente!'

Well done, Puppy. You might want to get your logic centres checked out, they're clearly fried.
Shintoko Akahoshi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2013-08-01 19:41:34 UTC
It is possible that she's suffering from long term side-effects stemming from the medical treatment her current clone received from Kabuki TransSolar. We were a little short on certain perishables (such as whole blood), and had to improvise a bit.

Bio and writing

(Nothing I say is indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated)

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#131 - 2013-08-01 20:00:04 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
It is possible that she's suffering from long term side-effects stemming from the medical treatment her current clone received from Kabuki TransSolar. We were a little short on certain perishables (such as whole blood), and had to improvise a bit.

Don't leave us hanging, Kaika. It sounds as if the very fabric of reality depends on it.

... Diana's "reality", anyway.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

iyammarrok
Drunken Beaver Mining
Gnawthority
#132 - 2013-08-01 20:14:11 UTC
Ah yes, you are correct Morwen.
Honestly i tend to skim read Diana's nonsensical rantings most of the time.

I do find it utterly unsurprising that she continues to label anything that she does not agree with, no matter the source, as 'gallentean lies'.

Does seem to show that her dementia is only increasing since the object of her rather disturbing desires has gone into hiding though.
Can't wait for the next phase.

Not indicative of corporate policy unless otherwise stated.

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#133 - 2013-08-01 20:19:20 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Stitcher, this is exactly the sort of thing that I mean. We're not believed to have the simple humanity needed to grieve for the deaths of our friends.


This is your problem. I never said anything about whether or not the Gallente are capable of experiencing grief.

Read what I said again. If you really want, I could go looking for the hundreds of times that your people made it very clear that they wouldn't even care if the same thing had happened but with one of their leaders, such as your own President.

As you, yourself, have made clear, you're not upset over the loss of lives at Colelie. You're grieving because of the loss of a specific individual whom you were close to. This is completely understandable and I would not write it off, though I think you need to realize how childish it is to call for the cessation of an international alliance over that.

But to try to help you understand. Do you think the grief you feel for the loss of your friend is comparable to a wife losing her husband? I ask this seriously. I've only felt such grief twice in my life, the first time being when I was told that my husband was dead, an event that completely changed my life's Path. I've lost dear friends before as well, and those experiences didn't have the impact that losing my husband and hearing the Ray of Matar died had, and I say this as someone who was opposed to the Ray's policies when she was leading the Republic.

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
the fact remains that you attacked an ally over the 'crimes of one man'.


Yes, we did. There's no denying that and I have made no attempt to deny that. The difference is, we did not attack our ally to punish them for the crimes of that one man. We attacked as part of an attempt to bring that one man back to our territory so that we could punish him, and him alone, for his crimes. Ms. Akahoshi, on the other hand, is calling for the punishment of an entire nation for what she has stated are the "crimes of one man."

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I find it funny that Mr Hakatain, a Caldari, a foreigner, is making a better case for your defence than you are.


Perhaps this is because I'm not trying to make a case to justify or pardon our actions, but rather attempting to show Ms. Akahoshi that she is taking something that has already escalated further than it ever should have and attempting to escalate it even further on a premise that runs counter to the philosophy behind her anger.

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Where it breaks down for me is the fact that I find it incredibly hard to believe that Shakor and his cronies were acting out of blind grief.


Shakor and his cronies. Shakor is the Sanmatar, yes, but there is more to our government than simply "Shakor and his cronies." Regardless, while Shakor did remove Midular from her position in the previous governmental body, she was still a Tribal Chief and the Ray of Matar. Believing her not to be the appropriate leader for the entirety of the Republic does not mean he is oblivious to the significance of her being a Ray of Matar, nor that he would be any less outraged and grieved by her death, especially at the hands of a citizen of the Federation.

That said, I am not personally privy to Shakor's motives and cannot speak definitively on them. If Ms. Akahoshi wants to demand to know what his motives were and if they do not satisfy her and she decides she wants to call for him to be punished for the decision, that is up to her. However, as it stands, she is still calling for the punishment of an entire nation for what she calls the crimes of one man.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
This was not over ideology, nor borders, nor sovereign claims.


Ideology played a large part in what happened, Ms. Gesakaarin. Our ideology versus Federation ideology. Think what you will of the ideologies involved, but they were no less significant in the matter at hand.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#134 - 2013-08-01 20:55:28 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:

Ideology played a large part in what happened, Ms. Gesakaarin. Our ideology versus Federation ideology. Think what you will of the ideologies involved, but they were no less significant in the matter at hand.


Then if you hold that the military invasion of the Federation and the death of its soldiers is at heart due to ideological differences necessitating armed conflict then the correct course of action is the formal declaration of war is it not? It is perhaps the tragedy of the Minmatar Republic that is not in any way a Caldari State. For when the moment in history came that the clarion call sounded for the Caldari people to liberate ourselves from the political, economic and cultural subjugation of the Federation we were more than capable to do so through both military and industrial strength.

When I look at the Republic however I see nothing more than a society that squanders its potential due to nothing more than an inefficient and dysfunctional bureaucracy, internecine internal clan and tribal conflict, and endemic corruption. The inability of the Minmatar people to thus address such issues in addition to as I view it, the failure of the Republic as a whole to adhere to or recognize the political realities of its present situation as being in effect a failed state propped up only by the largesse of the Federation is why it garners so little respect from me.

Which I find more than a little sad, for I think the Minmatar people could achieve so much more yet appear determined not to seize their own destiny.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#135 - 2013-08-01 21:29:46 UTC
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
Now you come along and say that Matari grief is deeper and stronger than the rest of ours. You defend the idea that we don't grieve for our dead as much as they grieve for the Ray.



Different things elicit differing amounts of emotion. This is a simple fact. I am grieved when crewmen aboard one of my ships die. I am grieved when a clan member dies. I was grieved when my husband died. Each of these elicits different levels of grief.

You grieve for your friend. I understand that completely. I understand you're angry that your friend died in an event you feel should never have happened. But if you really expect us to believe that your one friend was as important to you as the Ray of Matar was to our people, especially to the Sebiestor, then you simply prove that you do not understand her importance to us.

And, while I do not believe you incapable of grieving to the extent we have grieved for Midular, I do question whether or not you're capable of considering someone important enough to warrant that level of grief.

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From Republicans I've talked to I've gotten a) crowing over the event; b) arguments that he's just one guy, and we've all killed so many, so it shouldn't matter; c) arguments that he was a soldier and thus I shouldn't be upset if he died in battle.


Should I remind you of the responses we got from Federals in regards to our grief over the loss of Midular? "She's just one person" was the most common. "She was just a politician" was another common one.

Morwen Lagaan wrote:
If it acts like a child, talks like a child, and lashes out like a child, treating it like a child in response is hardly inappropriate.


There's a major flaw in your reasoning, Morwen. The Federation has treated us as a child as their default behavior all along, not as a response to "child-like behavior."

Rioghal Morgan wrote:
it may be time for the Republican apologists to drop the BS about how there's any justification at all for Coliele.


And here I thought we were past this misconception. No attempts have been made to justify Colelie, at least not by those of us in the Republic. Ms. Akahoshi, however, seems to be trying to justify it, though, by attempting to justify the principle of lashing out at those who have caused you grief by calling for the punishment of an entire nation over what she herself has declared to be the crimes of one man.
Katarina Musana
Clan Leshya Offworld Venture Enterprise
#136 - 2013-08-01 21:32:20 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Katarina Musana wrote:

Ideology played a large part in what happened, Ms. Gesakaarin. Our ideology versus Federation ideology. Think what you will of the ideologies involved, but they were no less significant in the matter at hand.


Then if you hold that the military invasion of the Federation and the death of its soldiers is at heart due to ideological differences necessitating armed conflict then the correct course of action is the formal declaration of war is it not?


I have not said once that it necessitated armed conflict. That doesn't eliminate the ideological issues involved in the situation, however.
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#137 - 2013-08-01 21:42:24 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
Quote:
Where it breaks down for me is the fact that I find it incredibly hard to believe that Shakor and his cronies were acting out of blind grief.


Shakor and his cronies. Shakor is the Sanmatar, yes, but there is more to our government than simply "Shakor and his cronies." Regardless, while Shakor did remove Midular from her position in the previous governmental body, she was still a Tribal Chief and the Ray of Matar. Believing her not to be the appropriate leader for the entirety of the Republic does not mean he is oblivious to the significance of her being a Ray of Matar, nor that he would be any less outraged and grieved by her death, especially at the hands of a citizen of the Federation.

That said, I am not personally privy to Shakor's motives and cannot speak definitively on them. If Ms. Akahoshi wants to demand to know what his motives were and if they do not satisfy her and she decides she wants to call for him to be punished for the decision, that is up to her. However, as it stands, she is still calling for the punishment of an entire nation for what she calls the crimes of one man.


I will respect your opinion here and merely state that I'm deeply cynical, for reasons espoused by a number of people here. I disagree with you, but as I've said, you have your opinion and you've consistently stuck to it, so kudos for that.

I will, however, reraise the point that the Republic has done absolutely nothing in the aftermath. Refusing to allow the Federation to attend the funeral of Midular in an official capacity... that's a grey area, so I won't discuss that, but Broteau was offered as an olive branch. Several people have pointed out that extraditing the man was deeply dubious by Gallente law, so this was not a small thing.

The Republic in general and Shakor in particular have done absolutely nothing in return, not even some consideration for those who died at Colelie. If that's still grief being acted upon, then it's spiteful and - that dreaded word - childish. If it's just an arrogant assumption that nothing needs to be done... well, that's just as bad in its own way.
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#138 - 2013-08-01 23:27:54 UTC
Katarina Musana wrote:
And, while I do not believe you incapable of grieving to the extent we have grieved for Midular, I do question whether or not you're capable of considering someone important enough to warrant that level of grief.


At no point has any one of the halfwits in your band "grieved" for Midular. You ignored her in life (at least when you weren't heaping contempt upon her). In death, you ignored the message of her life; and, used her as a prop to drive a wedge between yourselves and more or less everyone else (in direct contradiction to said message).

Well done, idiots.
Arkady Vachon
The Gold Angels
Sixth Empire
#139 - 2013-08-02 04:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Vachon
Shintoko Akahoshi wrote:
It is possible that she's suffering from long term side-effects stemming from the medical treatment her current clone received from Kabuki TransSolar. We were a little short on certain perishables (such as whole blood), and had to improvise a bit.


*Makes sure that his next clone is NOT from Kabuki TransSolar*

See, that's what happens when you use biomass for cloning from mulched mama Slaver Hounds, you get Kim...

Nothing Personal - Just Business...

Chaos Creates Content

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#140 - 2013-08-02 12:43:04 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

Too bad. Playing with you is one of my favourite hobbies at the moment, so you can expect me to be a constant presence. I have to say, Puppy, you don't do mysteries very well.

Still barking? Need a handkerchief to wipe that foam around your mouth?

Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:

How long did it take to pry an explanation for attacking Gesakaarin-haani out of you?

This information is available on a need to know basis.
Obviously you don't need to know.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.