Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You gave Medium arty 10% RoF because they already have good alpha and then give the sleipnir 24% bigger alpha then a 1400mm fitted Tornado. If that was the idea sure otherwise maybe give the sleipnir a RoF bonus and arty a damage bonus instead of RoF so the alpha is more balanced across ships. The best medium arty ship right now is the Loki that does the same alpha as a Tornado. feels like the Muninn needs 2 damages bonuses if to even come close to this alpha. Would be nice to hear your thoughts Fozzie

Why does the Night Hawk get caught up using Kinetic where as the Damnation gets a flat bonus to all missiles? Where as Claymore receives a double ROF bonus?

That's actually a pretty decent buff to base resists, and it's effectiveness is dependent on what the enemy is shooting. Lasers do EM/Thermal by the way, and Caldari frequently are using Kinetic missiles due to their bonus restrictions. Projectile ammo frequently will be affected as well.

Yes, it's not as high resists across the board and more vulnerable to high alpha in a fleet situation, but hardly an easy target if set up properly. Past that point the 15% boost all active tanking just got isn't anything to sneeze at, especially in an encounter like the 20 man BS fight you gave as an example.

I'm mildly disappointed in the link bonus being a fixed role bonus, but it is only a mild disappointment. Still, you know there is no rule limiting you to 2 bonuses per skill, right? Carriers prove that. Not sure why info warfare fits with amarr better than skirmish, but I guess I see why skirmish fits better with gallente than it does with amarr.

I am considerably more disappointed in the lack of buffer available to the gallente ships, and to a lesser extent minmatar as well. The rep bonus is entirely inappropriate for a ship designed to be on field in a fleet battle. You acknowledged this with the resist bonus on the heavy interdictors, so i cant figure out why you are so resistant to applying the same fix to command ships. Unless you are deliberately pigeon holing gallente and minmatar into small gang while allowing caldari and amarr to excel at both.

And assuming you absolutely have to local tank for some strange reason, has anyone run the numbers yet to see how many rep cycles it takes a local tanked eos/astarte to catch up with a local tanked absolution/damnation considering the extra ehp from the armor and resist bonus? The claymore/sleip may do a bit better in comparison to the vulture/nighthawk due to the minmatar native T2 resists and the faster cycle time on shield tanks. Minmatar will also be a bit more survivable due to the speed difference between them and caldari, which doesn't really exist for gallente vs amarr.

I'm also a bit surprised these have the same number of slots as combat battlecruisers. I'd expected them all to gain the 1 slot the sleip and claymore had over them, rather than the sleip and claymore loose a slot. Indeed, they have the same 10 mids+lows as most hacs now.

Finally, the eos's drone bay seems a tad small. I realize that giving it a full 3 flights of heavies(375m3) is unlikely, but maybe enough room for 2 flights of heavies and a flight of lights or mediums?(275 or 300)*shrug* not a hugh deal.

WTF I trained skirmish warfare link to V for my damnation now I'm getting the rug pulled out under me again? I want/need skirnish for my incursion damnation I been using for Incursion booster

Is there a logic disconnect somewhere? Skirmish fits better with Amarr due to the Bhaalgorn bonus I thought and Gallente would do better with the INFO warfare link due to the onie's sensor bonus'.

This this and more of this...

Why commands are all -1 slot (I do and you should count rigs as slots) compared to their parent bcs?

It's a decent buff if the opponent is shooting Multifreq, Phased Plasma or Scourge, yes.
What is the damage distribution on scorch, the most commonly used crystal in a kiting Pulse Oracle? (Answer:36EM/8therm) Any Missile ship shooting kin at a Gallente hull desrves to lose, and it's not very common now. With the changes to Phoons and Ravens, do you really think this large-sigged ship will survive long in a BS fight without ignoring its hull bonus?

In a 20 v 20 BS fight, 2k local reps is worth nothing, since you need to gimp you buffer to fit it. Think paint+webs+large sig+lowish buffer.

So field command and fleet command ships are becoming essentially identical from the point of view of fleet links, and the distinctions between the two is boiling down to tankiness / DPS?

Can't say I like that, from a roleplay / gameplay point of view.

How about this:

Field command ships:

• Optimized for small gangs (armor rep / shield booster / base shield regen bonuses)
• Can use 2 links
• Slight DPS boost (compared to current proposal)
• Slight sensor / range nerf

Fleet command ships:

• Optimized for larger fleets (resist bonuses)
• Can use 3 links
• Reasonable DPS nerf (compared to current proposal)
• Reasonable sensor / range buff

Naturally, these would still need to be adjusted for each race, but I think the changes being proposed will make them overlap too much (field vs. fleet) and giving each race a resist-based command ship and a repair-based command ship would silence the main complaint people seem to have.

They did the same boring thing with the combat bc's why would they do anything different here?
Attention to detail seems lacking in the recent rebalancing changes

Why are the races:

Gall Min: ACTIVE ACTIVE
Cal Amarr: PASSIVE PASSIVE

Why can't it be:

Gall Cal Min Amarr: ACTIVE PASSIVE

Big gangs can't have shield/armor + skirmish?