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Why am I getting bad performing BPCs by invention?
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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-08-01 14:28:22 UTC
I have been inventing T2 rig BPCs but I only seem to get -4 ME 1 run BPCs. I see on contracts people selling similar rig BPCs with 0 ME 2 runs. How are they doing this?

I read that a decryptor is only worth using for ship blueprint invention so I have not been using a decryptor. Also, I have not been using base items because I read that Meta 0 items are useless and in the case of my rigs I have not seen anything above Meta 0.
Random Woman
Very Professional Corporation
#2 - 2013-08-01 14:37:37 UTC
Radar(?) Sites drop T2 BPOs
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#3 - 2013-08-01 14:39:55 UTC
Droidster wrote:
I have been inventing T2 rig BPCs but I only seem to get -4 ME 1 run BPCs. I see on contracts people selling similar rig BPCs with 0 ME 2 runs. How are they doing this?

I read that a decryptor is only worth using for ship blueprint invention so I have not been using a decryptor. Also, I have not been using base items because I read that Meta 0 items are useless and in the case of my rigs I have not seen anything above Meta 0.



You didn't specify Rig size.

Decryptors are useful sorta for M size and definitely useful for L size.

But then the decryptors market has collapsed utterly with Odyssey since all that was written, so they are probably viable for the S size.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#4 - 2013-08-01 14:40:23 UTC
Random Woman wrote:
Radar(?) Sites drop T2 BPOs


Nope.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-08-01 14:41:57 UTC
If Tech 2 BPOs are dropping and these have better stats than you can make with invention does this make invention pointless?
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-08-01 14:42:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Droidster wrote:
I have been inventing T2 rig BPCs but I only seem to get -4 ME 1 run BPCs. I see on contracts people selling similar rig BPCs with 0 ME 2 runs. How are they doing this?

I read that a decryptor is only worth using for ship blueprint invention so I have not been using a decryptor. Also, I have not been using base items because I read that Meta 0 items are useless and in the case of my rigs I have not seen anything above Meta 0.



You didn't specify Rig size.

Decryptors are useful sorta for M size and definitely useful for L size.

But then the decryptors market has collapsed utterly with Odyssey since all that was written, so they are probably viable for the S size.


I am mostly making medium rigs.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#7 - 2013-08-01 15:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Droidster wrote:
If Tech 2 BPOs are dropping and these have better stats than you can make with invention does this make invention pointless?



Exploration sites can drop T2 Rig BPCs. Not BPOs.

They are ME 0, PE 0 BPCs, and can be multi run.



As for seeing if decryptors are worth it, my calculator now allows for you to flip between the different decryptors, to see if they affect the isk/hr in a suitable fashion.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#8 - 2013-08-01 15:35:05 UTC
Droidster wrote:
If Tech 2 BPOs are dropping and these have better stats than you can make with invention does this make invention pointless?



T2 BPO's DO NOT DROP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
brinelan
#9 - 2013-08-01 15:49:24 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Droidster wrote:
If Tech 2 BPOs are dropping and these have better stats than you can make with invention does this make invention pointless?



Exploration sites can drop T2 Rig BPCs. Not BPOs.

They are ME 0, PE 0 BPCs, and can be multi run.



As for seeing if decryptors are worth it, my calculator now allows for you to flip between the different decryptors, to see if they affect the isk/hr in a suitable fashion.


This. BPC's drop in sites. And yes, decryptors are now worth it for most jobs regardless of what they are. Guides are easily and quickly outdated, so its always best to check your math using the many tools and sites out there or making your own in excel.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-08-01 15:49:58 UTC
Droidster wrote:
I have been inventing T2 rig BPCs but I only seem to get -4 ME 1 run BPCs. I see on contracts people selling similar rig BPCs with 0 ME 2 runs. How are they doing this?


Relic and maybe data sites drop ME 0, PE 0 rig BPCs of all sizes, 2 runs I think is the most common.

If inventing, the only way to get other than ME-4, PE-4, 1 run for rigs is by using decryptors.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#11 - 2013-08-01 17:15:35 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Relic and maybe data sites drop ME 0, PE 0 rig BPCs of all sizes, 2 runs I think is the most common.


It's only relic sites.

Look, relic sites do drop 0/0 BPCs. And yes, they're better than you can get through invention. But if you're at all serious about producing rigs there is simply no way at all to get enough BPCs by running relics. You have only very limited control over what might drop (by local rats only, and that will only narrow down the categories that will drop, not size, and never specific rigs).

If you seriously think that 0/0 BPCs are hurting your rig invention business, go ahead and buy them up. They're usually overpriced compared to just running an invention job and getting -4/-4s back, but run the numbers. Those BPCs can supplement your normal production. But they won't be a predictable string, and there will never be sufficient volume to keep your lines running.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-08-01 18:13:04 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
You have only very limited control over what might drop (by local rats only, and that will only narrow down the categories that will drop, not size, and never specific rigs).


And you can end up with useful things like Capital Memetic Algorithm Bank II BPCs
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2013-08-01 19:08:31 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
You have only very limited control over what might drop (by local rats only, and that will only narrow down the categories that will drop, not size, and never specific rigs).


And you can end up with useful things like Capital Memetic Algorithm Bank II BPCs



For what ever reason, there is not a single one of those on the ingame Market, at least according to EVE Central. Smile

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-08-01 19:37:07 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
You have only very limited control over what might drop (by local rats only, and that will only narrow down the categories that will drop, not size, and never specific rigs).


And you can end up with useful things like Capital Memetic Algorithm Bank II BPCs



For what ever reason, there is not a single one of those on the ingame Market, at least according to EVE Central. Smile


I see people trying to sell the BPCs every couple weeks. They're usually quite disappointed.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#15 - 2013-08-01 19:48:57 UTC
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Elena Thiesant wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
You have only very limited control over what might drop (by local rats only, and that will only narrow down the categories that will drop, not size, and never specific rigs).


And you can end up with useful things like Capital Memetic Algorithm Bank II BPCs



For what ever reason, there is not a single one of those on the ingame Market, at least according to EVE Central. Smile


I see people trying to sell the BPCs every couple weeks. They're usually quite disappointed.


Perfect for your exploration Avatar.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2013-08-01 19:53:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Steve Ronuken wrote:


Perfect for your exploration Avatar.



But I think playing the Hacking Game with a Cap ship is just a bit of overkill Lol


edit: Oh, btw, you got a vote from all of my 4 accounts last CSM. Better luck next time.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#17 - 2013-08-01 23:29:55 UTC
Random Woman wrote:
Radar(?) Sites drop T2 BPOs


Not sure if mediocre typo, or EPIC troll post.

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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-08-05 07:01:44 UTC
Droidster wrote:
I have been inventing T2 rig BPCs but I only seem to get -4 ME 1 run BPCs. I see on contracts people selling similar rig BPCs with 0 ME 2 runs. How are they doing this?

I read that a decryptor is only worth using for ship blueprint invention so I have not been using a decryptor. Also, I have not been using base items because I read that Meta 0 items are useless and in the case of my rigs I have not seen anything above Meta 0.



Got a funny result earlier with a phobos invented BPC, with the 80% decriptor and +M thing finished with a 4 run BPC with -60% ME, just leaving it in some can to have a good laugh or scam the crap out of someone if at some point I learn how to.


Some times archaeology sites drop T2 BPCs, not really interesting for what I got already but at least the wastage is correct.

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Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#19 - 2013-08-06 10:58:01 UTC
Droidster wrote:
I have been inventing T2 rig BPCs but I only seem to get -4 ME 1 run BPCs. I see on contracts people selling similar rig BPCs with 0 ME 2 runs. How are they doing this?

I read that a decryptor is only worth using for ship blueprint invention so I have not been using a decryptor. Also, I have not been using base items because I read that Meta 0 items are useless and in the case of my rigs I have not seen anything above Meta 0.


Because CCP like to give a head start to their pals by giving them unlimited T2BPO's which have + attributes while you are stuck with - stats.

Enjoy, EVE is real.
Elena Thiesant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-08-06 11:01:41 UTC
Except that there are no T2 Rig BPOs as rigs were introduced after the lottery ended. Go troll somewhere else.