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Is this big war bringing changes to EVE at all?
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#21 - 2013-08-01 11:25:40 UTC
William Walker wrote:
and nullsec is just that pirate/nullsec-carebear infested no-mans-land that the Empires were too lazy to expand into and just leave it cut off by Concord.


Pirate-infested? Just because people shoot at neutrals does not make them lawless pirates. In fact, nullsec is possibly the most organized space with the most rules in all of EVE. In high sec concord enforces one rule only - no killing of others unless you have kill rights. In nullsec there are player generated rules. You are allowed to do whatever you want only in certain systems. Other systems are off limits except for travel. You can be told which sites you can do and which sites you can't do. Some people even insist on strict limitations on carebear activity. Not to mention everyone MUST attend the many CTA's.

The rules don't just stop in EVE either. Some organizations insist you be available on (multiple) comms at all time. That you install other software like Jabber, to stay in touch. Etc.

No, that's not Piracy at all!
mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-08-01 11:30:28 UTC
don't care as long as they keep fighting . making a killing selling stuff to both sides Big smileBig smile

i want a eve pinball machine...  confirming  CCP Cognac is best cognac
Mark Androcius
#23 - 2013-08-01 11:46:35 UTC
Onto basics.

What was this war ultimately for?
Money ( ISK ).
Where does this money come from?
Moon mining and Planetary Interaction ( i STILL don't understand why everyone still thinks it's Moon mining alone, while PI makes WAY more isk and i do mean WAY more isk ).

The CFC getting their hands on Fountain and possibly adding new alliances to their roster means:
More PI from null on the high sec market, but not more moon materials, since they will only replace what someone else was already doing.

This of course is totally beside the fact that Odyssey changed the moons around a bit, so we might actually see a slight drop in price still.

The result:
Lower prices for PI materials, meaning high sec AND low sec PI will become even more useless ( low sec won't be totally useless though ).

Expect to see a steady increase in P2, P3 materials on the high sec trade hubs ( P4's not AS much, since you need most of those for building stuff in null anyway ).

Along with the changes in ore compositions ( which WILL cause more industry to happen in null, yet STILL not on a very high scale ), which will mean price drops on higher end ores and maybe rising prices on the lower end ores ( Mexallon is an issue in null as in like BIG TIME ).

Expect to see Hulkageddon come back sooner and perhaps more often.
Ganking high sec miners, means better isk potential for low/null sec miners.


As for Delve......
Well, pushing into Delve is certainly an option that is being considered ( i presume ), but it does come with its drawbacks.
More space to cover = less people to secure each individual solar system.
Not that we as the CFC will ever win a popularity contest but it will cause more "internet pixel hate" in the long run.
The CFC would have to start trusting more people, who in turn live in the space the CFC provided.
The more people you have to trust, the bigger the security risk.

https://androcius.wordpress.com
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#24 - 2013-08-01 11:53:33 UTC
More goons, more hi-sec freighters ganking.
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-08-01 11:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jowen Datloran
War... War never changes.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Mark Androcius
#26 - 2013-08-01 12:00:21 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
More goons, more hi-sec freighters ganking.



Not a guarantee.
Most of the high sec freighter ganking, has to do with those freighter pilots knowingly or unknowingly making runs for the "enemies" of the goons.

Although a lot of the ganking does have more to do with direct isk making potential.

https://androcius.wordpress.com
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-08-01 13:06:05 UTC
It has made me want to name our new born baby "Moon Goo Severide"...

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#28 - 2013-08-01 15:49:28 UTC
Other than a marketing opportunity for CCP (and I guess bragging rights for goonies) this means nothing at all to those of us living in high and low sec space. Why would it? A couple of thousand ships got exploded in one fight so, maybe there will be some short-term market volatility if the parties involved don't have the industrial capacity needed to replace the losses and they turn to high sec markets. I assume that TEST have enough industrial capability that they can deal with the losses without turning to outside markets, though.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#29 - 2013-08-01 15:55:34 UTC
No, TEST does not. No one does, it's purchased from Jita. Which is why your JF service taking your things is somewhat annoying...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#30 - 2013-08-01 15:58:32 UTC
Ptraci wrote:


Pirate-infested? Just because people shoot at neutrals does not make them lawless pirates. In fact, nullsec is possibly the most organized space with the most rules in all of EVE. In high sec concord enforces one rule only - no killing of others unless you have kill rights. In nullsec there are player generated rules. You are allowed to do whatever you want only in certain systems. Other systems are off limits except for travel. You can be told which sites you can do and which sites you can't do. Some people even insist on strict limitations on carebear activity. Not to mention everyone MUST attend the many CTA's.

The rules don't just stop in EVE either. Some organizations insist you be available on (multiple) comms at all time. That you install other software like Jabber, to stay in touch. Etc.

No, that's not Piracy at all!


(Emphasis mine)
This clearly illustrates why most have no interest in becoming a nullsec drone. Eve is a game not a second job.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2013-08-01 16:08:22 UTC
Nullsec drone. My controller set me to "assist" The Mittani

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-08-01 16:13:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nullsec drone. My controller set me to "assist" The Mittani


Spin like a tornado mode?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-08-01 16:15:35 UTC
Ptraci wrote:

Pirate-infested? Just because people shoot at neutrals does not make them lawless pirates. In fact, nullsec is possibly the most organized space with the most rules in all of EVE. In high sec concord enforces one rule only - no killing of others unless you have kill rights. In nullsec there are player generated rules. You are allowed to do whatever you want only in certain systems. Other systems are off limits except for travel. You can be told which sites you can do and which sites you can't do. Some people even insist on strict limitations on carebear activity. Not to mention everyone MUST attend the many CTA's.

The rules don't just stop in EVE either. Some organizations insist you be available on (multiple) comms at all time. That you install other software like Jabber, to stay in touch. Etc.

No, that's not Piracy at all!

agree. it looks more like slavery

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Taiwanistan
#34 - 2013-08-01 16:21:34 UTC
Mark Androcius wrote:
Onto basics.

What was this war ultimately for?
Money ( ISK ).
Where does this money come from?
Moon mining and Planetary Interaction ( i STILL don't understand why everyone still thinks it's Moon mining alone, while PI makes WAY more isk and i do mean WAY more isk ).

The CFC getting their hands on Fountain and possibly adding new alliances to their roster means:
More PI from null on the high sec market, but not more moon materials, since they will only replace what someone else was already doing.

This of course is totally beside the fact that Odyssey changed the moons around a bit, so we might actually see a slight drop in price still.

The result:
Lower prices for PI materials, meaning high sec AND low sec PI will become even more useless ( low sec won't be totally useless though ).

Expect to see a steady increase in P2, P3 materials on the high sec trade hubs ( P4's not AS much, since you need most of those for building stuff in null anyway ).

Along with the changes in ore compositions ( which WILL cause more industry to happen in null, yet STILL not on a very high scale ), which will mean price drops on higher end ores and maybe rising prices on the lower end ores ( Mexallon is an issue in null as in like BIG TIME ).

Expect to see Hulkageddon come back sooner and perhaps more often.
Ganking high sec miners, means better isk potential for low/null sec miners.


As for Delve......
Well, pushing into Delve is certainly an option that is being considered ( i presume ), but it does come with its drawbacks.
More space to cover = less people to secure each individual solar system.
Not that we as the CFC will ever win a popularity contest but it will cause more "internet pixel hate" in the long run.
The CFC would have to start trusting more people, who in turn live in the space the CFC provided.
The more people you have to trust, the bigger the security risk.


oh crap i've got a huge stockpile as i'm been lazy and putting off hauling.

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2013-08-01 16:30:14 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nullsec drone. My controller set me to "assist" The Mittani

Spin like a tornado mode?

That's a T2 module, apparently my controller didn't bother to train Propaganda V, that lazy chap.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ken 1138
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-08-01 17:34:57 UTC
Interesting mix of answers in here but many have said no there will be few if any changes at all. Am I the only that sees that as a problem?

The market changes honestly don't do anything for me unless it makes an Apoc or Rokh drop 30+ mil in price. Because i don't play EVE Online just to sit in station, use the market and practice a degree in economics. It's to fly spaceships.

Thank you Kara for actually mentioning the Butterfly effect, that trailer is the very reason i started playing EVE. I was just hoping to see something change because of this, nothing game smashing but something that isn't just a minor fluctuation in market prices.
Prince Kobol
#37 - 2013-08-01 17:38:50 UTC
Ken 1138 wrote:
With the recent super size 4000 man fleet battle in fountain. A battle so large it was mentioned on the BBC tech news with a stock picture of the what a fleet battle looks and not the actual pic since it would be completely confusing to a non EVE player.

I have to ask will this war affect me the man in empire/high sec or anything else for that matter? If yes, in what way? And if no, then why not? My guess it will not.



Yes it will effect you.

CFC are going to be a bit richer (probably a lot richer) and will most likely be hosting lots HS fun and games to relax and have some let their hair down.

So get ready to hide your Indy and Mining ships :)
Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-08-01 18:04:08 UTC
Ken 1138 wrote:
I'd like to see a Dev reply to this, as i'm curious of what's really down the line. Things seem very, for lack of a better word "hollow" with EVE happenings lately.


If you need to ask the Developers for input, then you probably don't quite understand the concept behind player-driven content.

Want it to effect you? Get involved. Stop hanging out in high sec space tooling around by yourself.

You can't sit in the bleachers and then complain that you're not having fun playing baseball. You have to try out for the team, practice, and then get put in the game. You have to do this yourself, as a player. That's what player-driven means. You drive. Not the developers.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#39 - 2013-08-01 18:51:19 UTC
Title wrote:


Is this big war bringing changes to EVE at all?


It might be a big war, but it's a small portion of the people that log in every day.

So...no.


Mr Epeen Cool
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-08-01 18:53:56 UTC
Nick Bete wrote:
Ptraci wrote:


Pirate-infested? Just because people shoot at neutrals does not make them lawless pirates. In fact, nullsec is possibly the most organized space with the most rules in all of EVE. In high sec concord enforces one rule only - no killing of others unless you have kill rights. In nullsec there are player generated rules. You are allowed to do whatever you want only in certain systems. Other systems are off limits except for travel. You can be told which sites you can do and which sites you can't do. Some people even insist on strict limitations on carebear activity. Not to mention everyone MUST attend the many CTA's.

The rules don't just stop in EVE either. Some organizations insist you be available on (multiple) comms at all time. That you install other software like Jabber, to stay in touch. Etc.

No, that's not Piracy at all!


(Emphasis mine)
This clearly illustrates why most have no interest in becoming a nullsec drone. Eve is a game not a second job.


You would have a point if that wasn't all bullshit.

You only keep jabber on to find fleets of you aren't looking for fleets just log off.
My corp encourages voice comms, but doesn't require it, you need them for fleets mainly
CTAs, are rarely compulsory, if you are on line be there which isn't a thing because serious business fights are why you live out here.

Sorry of this doesn't line up with your space natzi out look
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