Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This thread again.

No is still the answer, AFAIK.

My immersion gene is saying yes - but.
I can see a lot of negatives, to be honest. And if they aren't negatives, then they are issues that needs to be addressed as well.
The questions of, what happens to bookmarks?, what happens to POS's?, what happens to stargates?, what happens to ships in-warp to a place that has moved?, and several more, are relevant and should be answered if the idea is meant seriously, but I think they are secondary questions to this:
What are the benefits for CCP and players to invest the time/resources to implement it?

Personally, I think it would be very cool - if it works.
If I have to calculate where that planet is in 10 hours when I am gonna bash that POCO, it's a bad move.

Fundamentally, added immersion should not be adding to "boring" or "job-ish" tasks.

agreed with jessica. while the idea itself has nothing wrong and would be pretty cool, but the actual implementation would require too many resources for what would mostly be an aesthetic feature. is this feature possible? yes. is it practical? not really.

"What happens to bookmarks?"

Have bookmarks for things that are

A) Reasonably close to large celestial objects (Planets, star) remain in that spot relative to the object.

B ) POSes and other such objects 'locked' to the position of the POS- your bookmarked location for the thing would always take you to the thing.

At the same time, this would only be relevant for a select few planets- who is going to notice the movement of the outermost worlds in say, Oipo, with their near 100 AU orbital radii?

If only you knew the difficulty in calculating the new position for all bookmarks for all players several times a day...

Does the motion happen in real time, or is it simulated every day at downtime? Is the motion exaggerated or realistic (taking decades to complete a single orbit)? What about alignment? Do the grids themselves rotate? Do they rotate with their celestial? With the solar system? What happens to aligned bookmarks when they do? What is the center of rotation? Does the center of rotation stay constant? What about non-celestial grids with no obvious center? Can rotation mechanics allow people to make progressively deeper and deeper bookmarks? Do ships on grid move with the grid? The celestial? Do bookmarks need a new format and can the old bookmarks be translated into it? What sort of processing and bandwith may be associated with the new bookmarks? How does this change the game for the better? Does the value justify the effort to implement it? What are the risks? Is there any way you can mitigate those risks?

Now, once you have to answer to all those questions and more, sit down with CCP Veritas and tell him how he's going to program that in a weekend without him going into a techno-filled daze.

This is a poor argument because you could use this about anything. Why do we even play a game, what actual benefit does this specific game have to society? Immersive functionality doesn't add to direct game play, what it does is make the overall game experience a better and more complete one.

For this suggestion to work, you'd need to overhaul a lot of the mechanics of the game, but I don't think that isn't something they should aim for. Things need to be overhauled eventually anyway when you want to continue development on software built 10 years ago.

Anchored objects, things that can be warped to now, would still show up on the overview. All that stuff would still work, you would just have to make the bookmark system work a little differently. Being able to bookmark specific objects would basically solve the whole issue of POS's and other anchor-able objects in space. Dynamic bookmarks would basically be the solution to every problem this creates. If you saved a static bookmark, this would just saving your coordinates in space, then you'll warp to that point in space, regardless of where everything else is. A dynamic bookmark would be able to warp to the objects current location, regardless of actual insystem coordinates. The notion that this idea is in anyway impossible is simply ridiculous.

Something like this however, should be a long term goal for CCP. It isn't something they just can throw in to the game easily, but I think it should absolutely be done eventually just to complete the whole SPACE part of the game. This is internet SPACE ships, not internet static 3D environment ships, and neglecting this aspect makes the entire game weaker.