EVE General Discussion

Yeah I'm not looking for a fight though, solo they tend to devolve into 1 vs xxxxxxxx very quickly. I'm afking in deep null ratting system so they can't rat. And ganking them now and then when they do.

Very many high sec people's opinions about null come either from "I heard from someone else" or from VERY limited experiences (ie "I was a renter for 2 weeks and it sucked ergo all of null sec sucks, i kow I'm no w a null sec veteran!").

Add to that the actual reality of sov null sec, which is that it requires group effort and thus cooperation and you get a place (null) that is to high sec players as sunlight is to vampires. It seems that cooperating with other actual people and sometimes even subordinating yourself (and some of your play time) to other members of that group that you form to take on the challenges of null sec = Chattle Slavery to the pathologically "solo" high sec dweller.

Which is why I tell them, just stay in high sec and have fun, but understand that high sec is limited compared to the rest of the game because of the built in automatic protections is gives.

Nah nothing happens other than you stopping. Unless your cloakie and they dropped cans corpses n stuff then you may decloak. If you're cloaked and you don't decloak they'll not even realise you're in their bubble.

None of that is the point. The point follows:



The bolded is THE number one point of failure in your thinking. it's the same as me saying "I pay for EVE, i should be able to solo Vanguard Incursion sites in a Ibis".

People pay for ACCESS to EVE, they aren't paying for success and "I win" buttons. Some things in EVE take effort, creativity and cooperation.

Sov null is not the place for "solo".

- High sec is the place for solo.
- Low sec is a place for solo and small gangs/groups.
- Low to middle end wormholes are a place for solo.
- NPC null is a place for solo and small gangs even though it sometimes gets used as staging points for sov alliances or living space for nomadic alliances.

Sov null is one of 3 "places" purpose built to encourage and require larger, more organized groups (the other 2 being high in (c5/6) wormholes and Incursions). You can see this in sov null sec because it allows groups to restrict access to their own stations unlike EVERY other place in EVE that has stations

So, why do you think it's ok to take one of the very few sections of space that caters to groups and turn it into empire....when you can just use Empire or wormholes for your purely solo activities?



The other question is, why is it so hard for some people to make friends. I made friends with people and got invited to my 1st corp (a high sec mission running corp) within 2 weeks of starting EVE. That led to making more friends, and those friends and I did faction warfare together when CCP introduced it, and that led to more friends who took mt to null with them, and so forth.

Where does this "I should be able to play a MULTIPLAYER" game as efficiently as a group without making any friends" entitlement come from?

Bolded the important part there. This is what null is now. Just like top end wormholes and incursions.



Yes it is a good idea. What good is saying "you can own space" when you can't effectively own space because jsut anyone can some in and dock and refit etc? What would be the point?

You're not thinking clearly as your hatred of things (nullbears, local, cloaking, whatever else) is shading your perceptions. I've seen you do this before with the remove local idea (you think it would make hunting easier for you, but you don't udnerstand human nature as demonstrated in EVE online, just like with the anom nerf, "no local" means fewer carebears in null).



And you reveal another point of your personal failure, jealousy. Null sec is the statistically most dangerous place in EVE and pve ships die in null all the times, most times to other players but sometimes to the pve content itself.

You falsely believe that "deep null" is too safe when you yourself have witnessed outsiders in that area. You do know that wormholes open null sec too right, and that some people live in wormholes that have null sec statics for the whole and entire purpose of raiding null sec?



In my real life job I train new people that come in to my organization. I tell them "your preferences don't matter, reality does". Same goes here. You can dislike the need to make friends all you like, but this in an MMO, if you want to do things that require organization like sov null, incursions or high end wormholes), you either get friends, or you get alts and do it yourself. Period.



Again you expose your motivations. you are butt hurt that people can see you in local, you imagine no local or whatever will compensate for you lack of skill and creativity. You think crusading against the current system is someone going to end with a situation you find more favorable.

It won't end up that way. If I were to offer a suggestion, it would be this: find a way to make peace with the game and have fun playing it without worrying about what everyone else is up to as long as they are playing within the rules. If you don't like the rules of the game, find another game.

Exactly.

Complaining about how he can't solo in null like he could in some other place (like NPC null or low sec) is like me saying "I pay for this damn game, WHY do I need to sacrifice a high slot for a probe launcher in this damn wormhole just because I want to go out..I demand GATES".

And EVERYONE who wants to operate in sov null has to do the things you have to do.

That's the point. you imagine there is some kind of unfairness (those nullbears get all the stuff and pay nothing), but that's simply untrue in a wide variety of ways. You can't see that because you're blinded by your on misconceptions.

You're like a high sec ganker who ganks miners because "you should not be able to make isk afk" or something. While I support the ganking of miners or killing of carebears (other than myself) because ship deaths are great for the game, your motivation behind what you are doing sucks.

EVE is a sandbox. A sandbox is similar to a voting in many aspects.
The situation in EVE as-is - no matter where you go - is not so much because of mechanics. They play a part, yes.
Mainly though it is because the total of players "voted" EVE to be the way it is through the total of their actions.

Lets just assume some different scenarios that would make EVE totally different without changing the mechanics:

Largest Alliance would be 500 players:
If the largest Alliance was 500 players, meaning about 125 online at the same time on good days, Null Sec would look very different. There would be no large "Empires" that remind us of the Cold War with the occasional sexy Hot War phase. There would be smaller fiefdoms. The map would look like middle age Europe.

There are no dedicated HS players...
Every player suddenly decides the Universe is his. High Sec, Low Sec, Null Sec are all cluttered with solo players, small gangs, mid-seized gangs and activity. There are mercs protecting miners and there is simply too much small scale traffic to blob em all.
Once again, this would be a very different EVE from what we have today.


There is only one Alliance controlling all of Null Sec
Boring as hell, but conceivable in the long run. It wouldn't actually be that different from what we have today, in many aspects.

There are more Alliances with open border policies and open stations
This would be the "good guys/bad guys" scenario. Also stations in Null Sec would be stocked and trade would be wider and more interesting.
etc...

All of this is speculation. But the EVE universe could look different, if the silent consensus that EVE players made between themselves was different.

This in turn would make your game experience different.

The only part about the mechanics I dislike is how easy it is to hold Sov over vast amounts of space. There is the constant blubber against (mostly HS) AFK miners, but the endless stretches of empty yet claimed space are the biggest AFK monument ever, really. This is waste and a shame. But once again, we can only blame the mechanics second.

highsec people should do as they please, but should understand the game and not get mad at the game when they try to do highsec...outside of high sec....

You don't need a carrier you need to think (and cooperate with others maybe), and apparently that's asking too much lol.