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The End of EVE
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Doc Severide
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-08-01 12:58:41 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Grief. Steal. Scam. Smack in local. Blow up ships that can't fight back. Use ECM brazenly. Win trust and then betray that trust. ***** about corp members behind their back. Join a corp and cause a drama implosion. Gank PvE fits. AFK cloak. Awox. Blob. Harvest tears. Troll the forums.

That's all good for the first hour but then what???

Everyone is always repeating the mantra "Don't Trust Anyone" ad nauseum... If I can't trust the guys I play with, why bother playing with them at all? Fly Solo...
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#22 - 2013-08-01 13:01:01 UTC
Never ending doomsayers... So when is the sky falling? Can some one give me a date.. so I can sell my **** before time and buy all the exotic chicks for my personal pleasure.. XD

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Lexar Mundi
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-08-01 13:04:00 UTC
Wolf Kruol wrote:
Never ending doomsayers... So when is the sky falling? Can some one give me a date.. so I can sell my **** before time and buy all the exotic chicks for my personal pleasure.. XD


I don't think you read his post.

Hes asking what can he do to get back into the game.
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#24 - 2013-08-01 13:06:59 UTC
I'd say the answer really is Nullsec for most people. Some others create lofty long term personal goals, like starting a successful corp from scratch, or becoming a trader big enough to move an entire mineral market, etc. Others find a comfortable niche and just play casually without too much time investment.

For some, the best option is to take a break. Eve will still be around in a year, and a couple of new expansions can revitalize the game.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#25 - 2013-08-01 13:30:58 UTC
I think the OP is just saturated with Eve, we all get like that after a while, my advice would be to find a long skill to train, something that takes 30/40/50 days + and train the skill, whilst at the same time he takes a holiday from New Eden.

That means no logging in or hitting the forum until his skill is trained. In the meantime try some of the other mmo's or games out there and come back to eve completely refreshed when your skill is trained.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Wolf Kruol
Suicide Squad Gamma
#26 - 2013-08-01 13:31:26 UTC
Lexar Mundi wrote:
Wolf Kruol wrote:
Never ending doomsayers... So when is the sky falling? Can some one give me a date.. so I can sell my **** before time and buy all the exotic chicks for my personal pleasure.. XD


I don't think you read his post.

Hes asking what can he do to get back into the game.


You are correct sir. I didn't read the post.. I've been drinking too much spiced wine and fondling my collection of exotic chicks. Blink

“If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?

You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!”
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-08-01 13:34:29 UTC
If you don't have at least one alt cloaking in someones 0.0 farming system you've not yet peaked.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#28 - 2013-08-01 13:37:59 UTC
Thanks for all the replies. I really do enjoy the player interaction - it's probably the only aspect of the game that still holds a daily level of enjoyment. What got me excited about EVE and finally persuaded me to pull the trigger was Retribution. I mean, who doesn't want to be a bounty hunter? Or an explorer venturing deep into space which was marketed as the focal point of Odyssey. The reality of actual bounty hunting is quite different than initially perceived - it just seems like there's so much lost potential. Under Retribution probing, scanning and exploration had previously been a challenge - one that actually required some degree of skill to attain. Then Odyssey basically killed it.

Maybe null-sec is the ticket after all. The most fun I had was being ambushed by a covert ops that managed to lure me into a warp bubble. One of the more enjoyable times I had dying. :D

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Job Valador
Professional Amateurs
#29 - 2013-08-02 06:01:52 UTC
find/ make a cause. Take it up as your banner. get others too follow it or hit them with said banner.

"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement."
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#30 - 2013-08-02 06:25:29 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Null-sec. Well, I guess this is truly the final frontier - although it's kind of like "meet the new boss - same as the old one".

Dismissive tone. Very appropriate, I think you could join TEST Alliance leadership.

When you get kicked out, apply to PL.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Xearal
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-08-02 08:11:50 UTC
Your concept about low-sec is utterly wrong.

I've lived in low-sec for a long time, doing mostly PvE stuff, exploration. I still do, but nowadays more in NPC Null.

Yes, if you go into 'enemy turf', you will get people hunting you, but that's the beauty of it as well. Go do your thing, and be quicker of wit and skill than them and avoid them, or if you cannot avoid, surprise them and kill them.

Eventually, people started to actually leave me alone, because they knew I was too slippery for them. And the few times I did get caught, I gave them a bloody nose trying to kill me. ( and they weren't always successful in the killing either )

Same as when I go to null- sec to pick up my PI. I've dodged more camps out there than I can count. To add insult to injury, the funniest time was when there was a gate camp directly in my path, and on that day I had to make 6 trips down to null to pick up everything ( yes I had been slacking for a while ). So I just went in, dodged their camp, picked up stuff, dodged their camp, came out, dumped cargo, went back in, dodged camp.. etc.
After not managing to catch me even once, and knowing that, they actually gave up on trying. I had won that day.
Sure, not with guns, but with skill and wit. I've lost a couple of prowlers because of days when I lost, but hey, that's also part of Eve.

At the end of the day, this game is what YOU make of it. I know corpmates who like nothing better than spending their entire day cleaning out ore belts, or running L4s. I also have corpmates who like nothing more than hunt down anybody coming in on our null-sec turf.
I personally like diversity, some days I spend hauling, some I spend poring over my spread sheets and the market, trying to figure out how to make more money with manufacturing, many days I just undock in my scanning ship and see where the next gate takes me. Yesterday I spent some time with a bunch of other people in an NPSI fleet camping a gate.

In the end, the PLAYERS make Eve what it is. And I'm still hitting my head over the fact that even though I have nothing to do with null politics, I wasn't in 6-VDT, dropping bombs on CFC people and sticking thumbs up TEST bums, just to be able to say 'I was there', watching the alliance tournament was fun too though.

Kudo's to the people who killed a PL Utu, and props to Hydra for fielding their Malices, and keeping them alive even though the enemy was trying to kill them in lieu of a victory.




Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-08-02 08:38:58 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:


This intended isn't a rant but rather a honest question: What am I missing? Am I in fact missing anything? Where is the EVE of lore? PS. No, you can't have my stuff.


This is a PVP game, thats where most of the content is. We make almost all of the Lore of this game.
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-08-02 10:55:30 UTC
I been living in lowsec for a few days now finally, took me some time to take the plunge and move my stuff down there, but it's nothing like what you say and I've already met a lot of traders and random people who either pass through or live near. Very good isk there too I found surprising, haven't seen a gate camp yet and I've already made a few trips to trade hub and back to sell my findings.

I advice you to do the same, just go find a system deep in low with a station and move a couple of ships there and try to survive for the longest period of time, its fun. Smile

I disagree
Azurae
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-08-02 11:47:28 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
"What is the point?" Aside from [...] online interaction, that is.


whats the point of any MMORPG aside from online interaction? what's the point of life aside from interaction with others?

see where this is going?
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-08-02 11:53:59 UTC
You never really "Got EVE" Ugh
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-08-02 12:38:18 UTC
"player interaction".... after 3 years of playing Eve i don't see anything new in it. People PVE, trade, kill and die, betray, spy, scam, lead, manufacture, etc.... But all of this been already done lots of times. Even scammers lost their imagination and use 1000 yo scams.

Did anything change in 0.0? Aside from fleet compositions and alliance names - nothing really.
Maybe something have changed in "solo"/small scale PvP? Aside from ship rebalance - nothing.

People mentioned FW. Yes. This is still just pure combat outside of "war".

Last time i'm finding myself log into Eve every day just to sit in Dodixie and talk to people in local... Cannot leave the game and cannot find anything interesting inside.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2013-08-02 12:52:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:


This intended isn't a rant but rather a honest question: What am I missing? Am I in fact missing anything? Where is the EVE of lore? PS. No, you can't have my stuff.


This is a PVP game, thats where most of the content is. We make almost all of the Lore of this game.


^^
This is IT!

What makes all the news outside of Eve? It is the player driven experience that gets the attention.

largest battle in Eve history - over 4000 in one system
huge thefts by players - 350 bil stole from Test
unique ships with high value destroyed - the PL Revenant 300+ bil
The Eve Bank Heist, what was that like 600+ bil

This is what makes Eve Online's lore.

not mission running or afk mining in highsec

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Ekhss Nihilo
The Night Watchmen
Goonswarm Federation
#38 - 2013-08-02 15:39:37 UTC
Greygal wrote:
I've been playing Eve for four years now, and I've yet to "peak" - every day, I learn something new. Every day, this game surprises me. My enthusiasm for the game just continues to grow, and as corny as it sounds, I cannot imagine my life without Eve in it.

Eve is a game of beauty, not just graphically, but within the day to day interactions of it all, the people, the tactics, the choices each of us make, the moments where everything changes, without warning, often without true understanding of how and why. I often joke that Eve is not a game, but a lifestyle choice.

The beauty of mining isn't the mining itself, it's the gathering of a group of friends, chitchatting and gossiping on coms while drinking a bear.

The beauty of lowsec isn't the risk v. the reward - which is much more balanced than you may think - but the thrill of the chase, the hunt, the kill ... in FW lowsec, it's the fighting for a bigger cause in a war that even though you know it will never end, can never truly be won, you can make a difference, you can upset the apple cart of your opposing militia. Piracy is so much more than "killing absolutely anything and everything simply for spite." In fact, I would dare to say that most pirates RARELY kill for spite, but for the challenge of seeing if they can actually do it.

The beauty of wormhole space is the solitude, in fact, but it is also the feast-or-famine nature of wormhole space; the hours of solitude broken by the sudden invasion of an overwhelming force... will you make it back to your pos before they tackle you? Or will you be able to spring a surprise on them, destroying them, protecting the home you have worked so hard to build in such hostile space, knowing that every day, at any moment, a force can come in and wipe out everything you have built up, losing billions in hours. If you find sleepers sites only "somewhat more lucrative than other aspects," you're doing it wrong. Wormhole space is truly the wild west, the gold rush of Eve, where you can make and lose billions in a day.

The beauty of nullsec is beyond measure, beyond description... from the high level politics and international-level machinations of the big alliances, to the small day-to-day roaming gangs of close-knit friends, looking for a good fight, looking for a target, a challenge... the rank and file sov members working to build industrial infrastructures to build out their territory and create the very ships that will soon die defending or expanding their space, the independent small corps holding their own against all odds...nullsec is far and away so much more than you can imagine, until you have lived it. I do not live in sov space, but I do live in NPC nullsec, where I am free to roam whereever I want, looking for the good fight, win or lose, because the rush of it all is beyond measure, beyond what any other game I have ever played brings to me. I still find my heart racing and my hands shaking after a Good Fight™, win or lose :) And that keeps me logging in, day after day. That rush, and sharing it with the friends, nay, family, I have become a part of in this game.

But ultimately, all of these aspects of the game are just means to an end, and that "end" is the primary beauty of Eve: Eve is whatever you decide you want it to be, for you.

One of the better summaries of EVE I've seen. Every new player should read this.

EVE is not for the unimaginative (the backstory is deep and occasionally mind-blowing); EVE is not for the lazy (it's the player who makes things happen, not the game engine or scripts), EVE is not for those who expect a 'fair' venue (life isn't 'fair' either despite the best efforts of will-to-power driven Utopians, whose efforts to effect the New man typically result in slaughter ,slavery and poverty).

You write your own story, and your choices really do matter - the degree to which the EVE universe allows and encourages this is unprecedented. Not for everyone, to be sure. But it Is for me.

"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius (AD 121-180)
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-08-02 15:54:45 UTC
I see a fair number of posts like this, and almost all of my friends think like this when it comes to games. They like to be told how to play, what to use in game, when to use it. They want the structure of the game saying that you can't use this weapon until you get to this level, or you can't fight this enemy until this many hours of play. When presented with a huge variety of choices, they become lost and confused. They're given 6 guns, and the first and only thing they ask is, "which one is the BEST?" If there isn't a best gun, they often won't use any of them. They need people to tell them what to do. EvE has this as well, in CFC and TEST. The players attracted to them are often players who need to follow. You don't here of players rising through the ranks of those groups because there aren't ranks. There are a few leaders and droves of followers. Which is fine, we can't all be leaders. If your comfort zone is inside strict guidelines and a very structured environment then you should consider joining those groups. They will give you the leadership you need. They will give you direction, ships, fits and they will let you know when and how to use them.
Darvaleth Sigma
Imperial Security Hegemony
#40 - 2013-08-02 15:58:40 UTC
Feel the rush of risk, of trying to build up wealth. Start from scratch.

Give me your stuff.

Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.

Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life!