Ships & Modules

First thing first, I know mael is more economical and out perform TFI in most if not all aspects. In fact, my current Lv4 ship IS a mael, but I just wanna change things up a little without investing too much time and isk for a mach just yet. Anyways here's the fit that I came up with after looking up battle clinic. As you can see, I tried to re use what I have on my mael when possible to keep the cost down.


[Tempest Fleet Issue, TFI, SHIELD PVE]

6x 800mm Repeating Artillery II (Phased Plasma L)
2x Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher (Inferno Heavy Missile)

Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster (Cap Booster 800)
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II

3x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Co-Processor II
2x Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

2x Large Projectile Ambit Extension I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator I

5x Hammerhead II
5x Hammerhead II

Original fit came from: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/59585-Tempest-Fleet-Issue-lvl-4-mission-runner-Mini-mach.html

For reference, this is what I run on my mael(f)

[Maelstrom, MAEL]

8x 800mm Repeating Artillery II (Phased Plasma L)

X-Large Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II (Cap Booster 800)
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner

3x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
2x Tracking Enhancer II

2x Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator I

5x Hammerhead II
5x Hammerhead II

Original fit came from: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/29238-AC-Maelstrom-L4-Baby-Varg-Dominion-Ready.html

Switch up hardeners according to missions, of course.

What do you guys think??

TFI is just a gimped mael when talking about pve.

dont do it

use the other TFI, the one with missiles.

Tempest is bad. End of story.

You said it, they said it, and our lord says it too.

Terrible, Terrible Terrible TFI Level 4 fits.

The TFI is only viable as a replacement for the Maelstrom once you get Minmatar Battleships V trained. Without that the Mael significantly out DPS's it.

Once you have Minnie BS V, the DPS gap is insignificant. Then, the TFI's greater speed and smaller sig radius helps you to do missions faster.

I used my TFI (after training Minnie BS V) as a mini-Marauder since I don't have a noctis alt.

I used the fit below very successfully , would occasionally replace the omni-tank with faction specific if facing EM / Thermal heavy missions.

The Vargur just poops all over the TFI, obviously. Worthwhile next step, since you should already have Minnie BS V trained before you step into a TFI

[Tempest Fleet Issue, Mini-Vargur]

Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Gyrostabilizer II (Can go Republic Fleet, but stacking penalties started kicking in and it wasn't worth the ISK)
Gyrostabilizer II (Can go Republic Fleet, but stacking penalties started kicking in and it wasn't worth the ISK)
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet 100MN Afterburner

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Small Tractor Beam I
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I

An alternative is to fit vampires and an MWD to move faster and so to get sooner into close range of battleships for maximum DPS. The following fitting has got 1000 DPS max. combined with Ogre IIs.

Web and TC are to control tracking, and can be switched to range for sniping small things. The vampires when targeted at NPC battleships provide enough cap to run the armor tank cap stable when the MWD is turned off. MWD should only be used to catch battleships and then to web them. The Ogre IIs need to be kept in the drone bay and only launched when close to a target, because the ship is faster than the drones. This however also solves the problem with drones getting aggro.

It is tricky to fly, because one needs to fly aggressively, have good piloting and micro management skills, but then it is great fun.

[Tempest Fleet Issue, PvE MWD + Arty + Vampires]

Damage Control II
True Sansha Large Armor Repairer
Armor Thermic Hardener II (mission-specific)
Armor Kinetic Hardener II (mission-specific)
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer

Domination 100MN Microwarpdrive
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script / Tracking Speed Script
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I

Large Projectile Burst Aerator I
Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hobgoblin II x5
Ogre II x3

For one, those eHP/s tank numbers are omni numbers. With mission specific hardeners does it get much higher. Also the armor version runs cap stable when there are 1-2 battleships within 25km range, which is the range of the vampires. If there are not any battleships around, well, then you take less damage anyway. With a shield booster will you need to pulse the tank and effectively have less sustained eHP/s than 5XX.

Also being able to MWD right on top of a battleship means you get fast into the optimal range of the artilleries, which is only 3km. You do not really want to shoot from your falloff range, thereby deal less damage and taking more time, which means you will have to take more damage yourself.

I have been flying MWD+vampire fittings in missions for quite some time and it works rather well. One needs to brake 10km-15km before a target with Ctrl-Space and turn off the MWD to decelerate from the high speed (~1100 m/s), web the target and get into a 3-4 km orbit, always watching the angular velocity on the overview and avoid coming in too fast. Some battleships are then not able to deal full damage this close. The armor tank will go down, but only slowly and one can obliterate groups of 4-5 battleships in short time. Even when one or two battleships coast away further than 15km will one cycle with the MWD catch up to them fast. Each killed BS then is instantly less damage, plus, it makes ISKs fast.

It is an aggressive way to run missions and you said you wanted to change things up. If you do not trust yourself doing this then bring a friend and have him watch your back while you practise it.

rats don't have 1Gj cap

example http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=24149

and yes, i tested it.

I think he means the upcoming changes, but Rise has vowed to see that it doesn't affect PvE.

Thanks. I always read the patch notes in full and thought something had slipped me. I guess it is just FUD by Bertrand. Never hurts to ask, though.

@Bertrand: Where did you get that 1Gj@100% from and can you explain it, please?