EVE General Discussion

TiDi is a graceful degradation path for an over-loaded system. It's a great idea and quite well implemented.

I don't know what you mean by recap the titans.

The titans logged in, ewarped the 1,000,000km as usual and then warped to the titans and doomsdayed. You can see from the video that they were all scattered around the battle because their safe poses were spread around the system.

Maybe this helps:
Compare the Server Tick to the tempo of a musical piece.
Just because a piece starts with 140 BPM, it can have parts that are played at 80 BPM. That's not lag, simply a different pace.
TiDi is the same, it's just a slower pace. And just as there is no delay in the musical piece (you still have to play the whole notes, each in the right time according to the beat), there is no delay caused by TiDi.

A different matter of course is when you have 10% TiDi and still way to many players in the system. This last fight was at a point pretty close to a node crash I would assume. Of course here you will get actual lag, just as you got without TiDi at a lower population.

You, sir, are an intelligent individual. Hypothetical bests do not equate to reality. The problem is more complex than most people could ever understand. They see it from one angle, generally from the angle of some course they took once, and they think that is the solution. Multithread! Is often a battle cry of theirs. They don't understand that multi-core processors are actually a compromise. They are the result of the cost of the resources and manufacturing processes increasing faster than Mohr's Law. This resulted in the inability of chip manufacturers to put out a reasonably priced CPU. Their solution was to start manufacturing multi-core processors for general usage. They had existed beforehand as specialized products intended for applications where there were numerous operations that needed to be performed, but it didn't matter in which order they were performed. Code Optimization! Is another one they love. They don't understand that what they're being taught as code optimization is actually the new standard rules of programming. They say, well my teacher said I could do A, but to optimize it I should do B. They then proceed to write the program using B, and they call it optimization. They don't understand that doing so isn't optimizing anything, as there wasn't an already written program they were changing in order to make it better. They don't see that choice A and choice B are so generally exclusive of one another, incompatible to the point that interchanging them will cause errors in the program. Finding all instances of A and changing them to B is a huge undertaking. Their high school or college courses have them writing programs with maybe 1000 lines of code, which is HUGE to them. In reality, that is the tiniest program. EvE Online might have as many as 50 million lines of code. Can you imagine trying to find and replace all instances of A with B? And then having to ensure that all references to A have been changed to reference B. And then having to debug it for the issues that using B brings, while trying to find and remove all the fixes that were needed for A but won't work with B. They need more of a corn-field of code, instead of a kernel of code. Anyways, people will never be happy. They will always ***** and moan about something because they want the attention that it provides. Like the OP, who was doing this just to advertise his terribly written blog. Striking words for dramatic effect is terrible practice. His blog would take minutes to optimize. CCP would have to spend years trying to optimize the source code of EvE. If the OP can't be bothered to take minutes, why is he complaining that CCP won't spend years?

Hells bells....I remember flying around Aunia, doin' nuttin, and lagging. It is so much nicer now.

look ill say it again, people dont give a damn about what the technical solution/definition is. If at your pc ie the client, and you are experiencing extremely slow response then to those people its LAG. Thats what we call it, and everyone in the world calls it, when we experience something like this. No one cares whether TiDi ensures that things happen, because it slows down the simulation, seriously NO ONE CARES. The usability of such a soluton is still pretty well, unuseable! The person is still experiencing the same infuriating slow down, where you have no idea what the hell is happening until 20/30 minutes later.
Its like when you keeping pressing buttons on your PC when its not responsive, (you know those type of people just kee bashing) the outcome is unpredicatable, there is only so much your server can queue up without getting totally confused and yourself for that matter.

How can you say that this is good? How? I just dont get you people, i really dont. Youll be satisified with any crap someone gives up. Yes it's a solution to sort of help the problem, but it is by no means THE solution. Can it ever be resolved? Probably not fully because people have different PC setups etc.
It just doesnt feel like an epic battle when you are playing it, when its running at 100th of the speed it should be, now does it?

If people don't complain or question things, nothing will ever change so to you guys THE SOLUTION is TiDi. Granted sometimes complaining or questioning won't change anything or help move things along in any way but I'd rather be in the group hoping for things to change than those that like the stagnant way it is now and just call it good.

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Since quoting you guys would cause an enormous wall of text, let me just reply to Erufen and Tron this way. You guys seem to have a very odd view of what EvE is, and how it should be. You say they advertise about large, epic fleet battles but that they don't deliver because 4000 people caused the servers to overload, resulting in TiDi and desync. You have the opinion that because that many people participated in a battle it should be easy for them to handle on a regular basis. The fact is that such a number is absolutely huge, and in no way the starting point for epic fleet fights. 4000 people fights are the far end of that catchphrase. Epic fleet fights can take place between 100 people, it doesn't have to be 2000 or 4000 people to make it epic. What made this recent battle so special is simply the number of players involved. Of course quality and continuity of gameplay suffered, there were more participants than was expected or imagined. To some how believe that because a new limit was reached it should become the standard by which all similar things are compared is just plain silly. I won't say stupid, or moronic, because it isn't. I understand your desire for such events to be commonplace, I just don't understand why you insist on being negative because they aren't. Just as we have high-end and low-end products in real life, we have high-end and low-end fleet sizes. The fact that a fleet fight might be on the low end of things doesn't make it any less able to be epic. There advertisements in no way state that they have 4000 play fights on a daily basis without issues, without lag, and without TiDi. They advertise large, epic fleet fights, not of a specific size, just large. So let me ask you something. How many friends do you have that will assemble, fleet up and go out to fight with you? I'm not talking Goonswarm/CFC or TEST. I'm talking about people you can get a hold of right now, through Skype or TS3 or Mumble or their phone numbers, that will get online, make the trip to where ever you are and fight with you just because you asked them to. For most players that number is going to probably be pretty small. Maybe 20 people, or 50, or at the very most 100 people. That will result in a fleet fight of 40 to 200 people that will seem pretty darn epic to them. Are you going to tell them their fight wasn't epic, that NO ONE CARED? You might, but it won't make it any less epic to the participants. So to me it seems that their advertisement is pretty accurate.

Now on to your comment that without complaining there will be no improving. That's also a pretty silly thing to say. Complaining as you have, in a very negative manner without adding one bit of constructive criticism or advice, is pointless. Letting CCP know the issues that occurred during the fleet fights is a very good thing. You haven't really said what the issues were except LAGGGGGG ALGAAGGDSGDKSAKALKJBASKJ:KJND OHH EMMMM GEEEEE LAG! and I'm unsure if they have a fix for that. So if you want to be really helpful, and not just attention seeking, you'll make a new post cataloging the issues you experienced. Be as specific as possible, detailing the amount of lag you saw on top of the TiDi, what the issues this lag caused were, how you attempted to avoid these issues, so on and so forth. Otherwise you're just being unhelpful and annoying.

Idiot: Doctor Doctor it hurts when i do this.
Doctor: well don't do it then.