Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I must admit I liked it better when it was different attributes based on Bloodline/ancestry.

You are doing it wrong. You do not plan with the remapping in mind. Remapping exists to let players undo mistakes. If you do not use this feature but abuse it and then find it troublesome, then you have only found a reason why you should not be abusing it.

Plan your attributes depending on what you need them the most.


Nonsense. Even if it was like you say does nothing stop a player from fighting mechanics and players. A player who chooses to fight everything then needs to deal with the consequences. Most players do not fight the mechanics. Not everyone is dumb or stupid and fails at comprehending the idea behind choosing a character and its attributes. It is pretty common for many games actually.

Also most players will know what they want from EVE the day they subscribe. I have not yet met anyone who logged in and did not have a clue about what to do.

The way I see it is the idea proposed here nothing more than a desperately made-up problem with a heroically composed solution to solve a non-issue. Just play the game. Or someone will eventually suggest to remove the forums, because these distract too much from the game and allows players to voice silly ideas.

Funny thing is, people said stuff like this "Just play the game", "Quit whining. It's not that bad" when learning skills were around too, and look how many posts you see asking to bring them back.

Just because something isn't breaking the game doesn't mean it can't be improved.

No thanks.

I like the attributes system. I like the fact people have a reason to stick varied implants in their heads that appear on killboards. I like the fact that you have to decide at least partially whether you're going to chose to maximise one training path at the risk of gimping future training or chose to average out in order to have decent training across the board.

I don't like the constant requests to remove choice from the game. I don't like the repeated calls for CCP to do to EVE what SOE did to Starwars Galaxies.

If you don't like the effect attributes have, use one of your remaps to average them out. Then they won't have any effect as you'll sp up evenly. If you don't have a remap left, petition CCP and see whether they'll allow you to undo your lack of forethought.

I could get behind a "stupid tax". If CCP charged $100 or higher for a one off respec to cater to those that wasted their remaps before they understood what they were. Obviously, your $100 charge also pays for a GM to ask you whether you really understand what you're doing and that this is a one off so you'll be screwed if you don't get it right this time, or something to that effect.

Mind you, it is the player's fault if they've wasted all their respecs without looking into what they are, how many they have and the implications of using them just like it's really the players' fault for screwing up pretty much anything.

If people took responsibility for their actions and applied a little more thought, research and care to what they do these sorts of requests wouldn't appear.

There is no issue. Set all your attributes to be the same and never remap again.

That would be you choosing to focus on one area at the expense of all the others, at a time when you need a more general outlook.

Choice made, consequence incoming.

It's all about making choices. There are circumstances when a more balanced attribute spread is better over time than a focused one. Welcome to EVE and meaningful choices. After a while, a more focused approach works better, but early on it is better to be general.

The Attributes are nothing more than a bonus to certain training, one that can be configured in many ways as you choose. It's working as intended.

Scrapping all the resources they have associated with attributes seems wasteful. Why not just make them effect actual game play instead of SP accrual? Gimping SP accrual makes it harder to get into the game, and is a real ****-ty consequence for new players. Take your consequence arguments and shove them up your ass, EvE shouldn't deliberately **** you out of the SP that you basically paid for with real money.

Maybe give new characters a flat 2700/hr or whatever it is for the first two months or so? Not that there really seem s to be a problem *shrugs*

Yeah, I read what you wrote just fine thanks. It's just that your talking balls.

Just because you've researched it in EveMon it doesn't mean you have to do the skills in the order EveMon tells you to. You can also learn enough to get in the ship quickly and then chose which of the tech II systems to learn first. It's just that if you've researched it properly and remapped your attributes for your chosen learning path you'll learn it quicker than if you average your stats out.

So you get a benefit in terms of reduced training time for researching it all properly and deciding which path you want to go down whereas if you don't and you average out your attributes you learn slower but you're not penalised for changing your mind and learning something else that isn't in your initially chosen profession.

So yeah, the system works fine as it is. The "problem" is your lack of understanding.