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Harley McMacho MD
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-07-31 20:52:52 UTC
...well maybe not?

Hello -

I of course am fairly new to EVE. I am highly interested in being a great Logistics pilot some day. I must premise that I have little to no interest in PvP. Anyway... I saw that there were some recent changes to logistic skill-ing and the addition of logistic focused frigates.

I must admit, the idea of flying around in a little heal machine and helping out fellow players sound(ed) like fun... until I realized no one really needed my services. I found that either people could solo their own content at lower levels (mission running) or I became a liability at higher level content (incursions).

I asked around in "chat" and was told by several that I need to rush into Logistic Cruisers and skip frigates. I was told that these frigates were more or less "useless" (really?!?!) This of course is my plan (cruisers)... my mid to long term plan that is. My skill plan for those is about 100 days or so.

With most games, an investment of time has its reward. I understand however, in most games you can play at what you want to eventually excel at while you are "leveling" up the whole time.

Is that not the case here? I think I see now why there are so few logistic pilots What? What is a logistics pilot to do with his/her spare time while he/she waits four months or so the become viable?

I'd rather spork my eyes out than mine for four months Lol I'd rather be in a lower level frigate... viable and necessary, and gaining practice in anticipation of "end game" content.
Alycea Taredi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-07-31 21:01:09 UTC
N3 have a wonderful little fleet doctrine called Goku fleet, it uses Frigate Logistics (specifically bantams). The problem is PVE, people will only accept the best nothing less, especially in Incursions.
Cameron Zero
Sebiestor Tribe
#3 - 2013-07-31 21:05:52 UTC
If you're interested in PVP, I'm sure you'd find all manner of people who would love to have logi, even in a frigate.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. …"
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#4 - 2013-07-31 21:11:40 UTC

You know how, in some games, there is that "elite" crowd that runs around, and demands the most pimped out gear, the most top notch skills, and the like...

EvE has a portion of it's player base akin to those player-types. Generally, these are the "professional" carebears, although there are several "professional" PvP'ers that fit the bill too.

Look elsewhere....

Many corps are happy to have a logi pilot along, especially in PvP. There are also many other roles you can fulfill that don't require huge skill investments.
DeAira
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-07-31 21:25:09 UTC
There are Newbie corps that would love to have a logi frigate. You could do it today.

Sue, it's PvP, but frigates are cheap.

#justice4VileRat
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-07-31 21:41:06 UTC
Harley McMacho MD wrote:
I must premise that I have little to no interest in PvP.



EVE probably isn't the game for you then, especially if you want to focus on Logistics.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-31 21:53:30 UTC
T1 logi cruises are pretty good and don't require more than about a week of skills to fly halfway well. Start there, see if you like it. If you don't, then don't send the next few months training for a T2, you will probably not like it any better.

Incursions are about the only use for a non-PvP logi. If you want to fly logi, you probably want to embrace PvP.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#8 - 2013-07-31 23:20:05 UTC
You may find a corp that welcomes newbies and runs level 4 missions as a group; this kind of corp may be fine with a logi pilot in a T1 cruiser. The first corp I was in like this, but the fellow who was in charge of PvE has moved on and I don't think they do group missioning anymore. But you could seek out new player-friendly corps that specify that they run missions as a group.

Frigate logi isn't "useless" though - whatever person told you that hasn't done any small-gang pvp. I serve as tackle on a bubble camp in Curse (NPC 0.0 space) and we occasionally see logi frigates come through as part of roaming groups.

As you continue to play, I hope you get comfortable enough with EVE that you will want to at least try PvP. It is the heart and soul if the game, it is a blast, and good logi pilots are always in demand so you'll always have friends.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Kalanaja
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2013-08-01 04:27:04 UTC
All the above rings true. Incursions, at least when it comes to shiny fleets which is pretty much the ones in high sec are generally made of the same saps that just ran their wow raids until they got bored and came here and did the same thing. Nothing less then a tech 2 logi cruiser generally is used for them. And like they said, when it comes to actual missions logi ships are generally not used at all. For pvp however tech 1 cruisers and logi frigates are handy, can do the same job as the tech 2 logis though not to the same extent and will not break your wallet when they blow up.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-08-01 06:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
Logistics is the Backbone of any large PVP group. However since you do want to deal with PVP you are extremely limited in it's use for PVE. Incursion runners as far as I know will only want certain types of pilots in lvl5 Logistics T2 Cruisers.

For normal missions people can handle on their own.

I would however state that if your part of a corp chances are you will be faced with war at some point even If you want to or not.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Tobias Hareka
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-08-01 07:26:24 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
For normal missions people can handle on their own.


Currently that is true but devs have said that they want to change that. They want to make all PvE content more like PvP requiring fits that work better in PvP than in current PvE.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-08-01 07:27:53 UTC
Tobias Hareka wrote:
Cannibal Kane wrote:
For normal missions people can handle on their own.


Currently that is true but devs have said that they want to change that. They want to make all PvE content more like PvP requiring fits that work better in PvP than in current PvE.


What CCP says and does are sometimes 2 completely different things. The day you see a DEV blog of them actually doing it then you can start planning accordingly.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2013-08-01 07:41:35 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

You know how, in some games, there is that "elite" crowd that runs around, and demands the most pimped out gear, the most top notch skills, and the like...

EvE has a portion of it's player base akin to those player-types. Generally, these are the "professional" carebears, although there are several "professional" PvP'ers that fit the bill too.

Look elsewhere....

Many corps are happy to have a logi pilot along, especially in PvP. There are also many other roles you can fulfill that don't require huge skill investments.

namely anything with tracking disruptors, target painters, pretty much any EWAR. even a t1 frigate with that junk is the bane of all pvp'ers existence when they come on field
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#14 - 2013-08-01 08:48:15 UTC
You will get all the skills to run a perfectly decent logistics frigate on the way to training cruiser-size logi. What you're being told is not to bother maxing the skills for the frigate logi beyond all the IVs you'll have for it anyhow... which is fair enough, as the bonus from, for instance, the extra rank (V) in racial frigate is not really worth the training time.

As of half a year ago or so, there are also T1 cruiser Logis that are perfectly legitimate in your basic pvp groups. They're not usually up to the task of our equivalent of Raids, but if you want to do PvE raids then you're really in the wrong game, Eve is about PvP and PvP-related shenanigans and the incursion running is like a step DOWN from mining in terms of not boring you to death.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#15 - 2013-08-01 09:02:54 UTC
Logi frigates I don't see often, if I do it's in PVP. A T1 Logistics cruiser however is indeed a good entry level ship for PVE as well as PVP. As a new player I wouldn't take the demands of Incursion running groups as a guideline. Take the humble Scythe: easy to skill into, and very viable as logi for (example) arty canes that are running lower level wormhole content. But yeah, any raiding / farming content merely serves as ISK faucets to fuel PVP in all it's myriad forms, so I agree with others that you should embrace PVP and do some pew pew with the rest of us.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#16 - 2013-08-01 09:07:05 UTC
Logistics is primarily pvp activity as it currently stands.
PVE only comes as either as logi 5 t2 cruiser in incursions or an archon pilot in c5/c6 wh-space.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#17 - 2013-08-01 11:07:05 UTC
Highly recommend training into the tech 1 logi cruisers ASAP and using them in PVP small gang engagements as has been said.

In any engagement of 8v8 or less, you will be the most valuable contributer to your PVP fleet. Plus, many groups will be happy to reimburse your inevitable losses (until the loss of a t1 logi cruiser becomes trivial to you).

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Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-08-01 11:40:44 UTC
In my opinion you're thinking too much of classes and specialization here. You should make your 106 day plan a lets say 150 day plan and have fun all along the way there.

Likely you're planning to train support / fitting skills anyways. Those together with the ship skill will help with other roles too.
You just have to add some weapon system skill to a somewhat decent level so you can do non logistic PVE too. You're not going to be a worse "healer" just because you mixed combat skills into your training. It will just take longer until you get perfect at logistics. And that is longer in calendar days, not longer hours at grinding.

If you keep your eyes open you will encounter quite some people that would enjoy the company of a logistics ship and pilot doing their PVE.
Othran
Route One
#19 - 2013-08-01 12:00:43 UTC
The best bit of advice I can give you is simply to ignore/block anyone who is still in the starter corp after a year.

The advice you'll get will not be good advice as its either an alt or one of the many wierdos who like doing/saying the same thing time and time and time again.

Don't try and specialise at this stage - get a broad range of skills up to L4 (L5 where it makes sense) and see what you enjoy doing.

I've been playing on and off for 10 years but with all the T1 ship rebalancing I have no idea what I'm doing again, which is quite fun. Admittedly discovering that geddons could now use a flight of sentries wasn't so fun as I was at the business end of them Lol

Just broaden your skill base out while you learn/earn. In fact take a look at Tippia's Newbie Skill Plan as its pretty decent.
Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-08-01 12:22:21 UTC
Othran wrote:
The best bit of advice I can give you is simply to ignore/block anyone who is still in the starter corp after a year
What? Clearly you've never been in any starter corp long enough to know what good general advice you may get there at times.
Othran wrote:
The advice you'll get will not be good advice as its either an alt or one of the many wierdos who like doing/saying the same thing time and time and time again.
Maybe they're saying the same thing again and again because they're right?
Myself I'm posting as an alt being in a newbie corp because I like being listened to for sounding reasonable rather than having a title, some fancy killboard stats or maybe belonging to some elitist weirdo corp.
Othran wrote:
Don't try and specialise at this stage - get a broad range of skills up to L4 (L5 where it makes sense) and see what you enjoy doing.
Basically what I said too.
Othran wrote:
I've been playing on and off for 10 years but with all the T1 ship rebalancing I have no idea what I'm doing again, which is quite fun. [..]
So you (partly) have no idea what you're doing but you feel entitled to give better advice than someone else? Well tbh, you seem to be a perfect fit for any block list then.
No wait, you're trolling aren't you? My bad.
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